Thor vs Hal

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Refusing to produce evidence and presenting evidence that you cannot support are in essence the same thing. Actually, it's worse as you can just make up shit. For example, I know you lied about Bor dying and giving his power to Odin like you claimed.

I'm butthurt for hoping you're just trolling but then you go out and just outright call me a jackass? facepalm

Yes, you're butthurt because you've brought that instance many times. You got mocked, move on.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL What difference does it make if his Lightning hits them behind or the front? That's how Thor's Lightning works, he can hit them from any angle. Your making out Thor hit the Hulk whilst Hulk was looking the other way not even realizing he's in a fight. That's not what happened. They were fighting. You can't really have a sucker punch in the middle of a fight unless a third person intervenes.

So? One KO'd him, one didn't. You do realize KO'ing Hulk isn't the easiest thing to do right?

Ok, so if Superman's opponent doesn't see Supes because he's moving too fast, or if Supes in a middle of a fight uses his speed to whizz around his opponent and hit him from behind, then Superman would be sucker punching right? Heck Hal can hit from different angles. If he does then he's sucker punching too right.

Its a sucker shot.

If Superman moves behind and punches someone in the back, its most definitely a suckershot.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Even putting the Hulk on his knees with one shot is pretty damn level. Put that with the strength to go toe to toe with Hulk, and that's clearly High Herald Level.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It isn't. You can believe whatever want, I don't give a damn.

I'm still waiting for those scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Putting Hulk with a focused lightning from mjolnir isn't a feat Thor can replicate without mjolnir.

This implies that Mjolnir amps Thor's weather based powers. What evidence do you have to support this?

Not to mention this statement is retarded as Thor one shots Hulk with a lightning bolt he summons with a wave of his hand in the very same issue.

Abhi doesn't care about things like facts, truth, honesty etc etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm still waiting for those scans.

Not to mention this statement is retarded as Thor one shots Hulk with a lightning bolt he summons with a wave of his hand in the very same issue.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'll post them as soon as I can.

And your stance that it lessens Thor's abilities (😂 ) is based on what exactly?

With a sucker shot and everytime Thor waves his hand while having mjolnir in his hands means he was using his weather powers without mjolnir? Haha.

Don't forget those Bor/Odin scans.

What? I never said Mjolnir makes Thor's weather powers less powerful, what are you talking about? It does focus his control and can be used as a conduit. Now, what evidence do you have that says Mjolnir increases Thor's weather power?

No, but when has Mjolnir in one hand and does a sweeping motion with his free arm, I do assume that he didn't bother using Mjolnir as a conduit for his abilities.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Don't forget those Bor/Odin scans.

What? I never said Mjolnir makes Thor's weather powers less powerful, what are you talking about? It does focus his control and can be used as a conduit. Now, what evidence do you have that says Mjolnir increases Thor's weather power?

No, but when has Mjolnir in one hand and does a sweeping motion with his free arm, I do assume that he didn't bother using Mjolnir as a conduit for his abilities.

Haha, you said that just two pages ago.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thankfully, Thor can also summon bolts from the sky. Which have an astounding success rate, particularly when he doesn't use Mjolnir as a focus to lessen their power more efficiently.

I said it focuses his power into more powerful lightning attacks.

You are wrong as usual.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wouldn't forget it.

Haha, you said that just two pages ago.

I said it focuses his power into more powerful lightning attacks.

You are wrong as usual.

facepalm

I said he can use Mjolnir as a focus/conduit to lessen the power of his lightning. I didn't say it made them flat out weaker. How can you not understand that distinction? Just in case you still don't understand what I mean, with Mjolnir he can do this to Black Widow where without it, he'd kill her almost certainly:

Scan to support that?

PIS/CIS off I give it to Thor with the ring and Lantern. Ultimately I think the versatility of the ring is more blatent and a CIS'less Thor will find ways to counter his own Mjolnir once he gets the ring is based on will and creativity.

Hal would still need to finangle all the functions out of the hammer many of which are not blatantly obvious and don't necessarily follow his style.

Long story short Thor can basically use the Ring as he pleases simply because its rather intuitive.

Hal has to figure out Mjolnir and Thor's had it for how long and forgets it has energy absorbtion/matter manip/esoteric BS powers so I don't see him figuring it all out beyond what he needs.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I said he can use Mjolnir as a focus/conduit to lessen the power of his lightning. I didn't say it made them flat out weaker. How can you not understand that distinction? Just in case you still don't understand what I mean, with Mjolnir he can do this to Black Widow where without it, he'd kill her almost certainly:

Scan to support that?

So him holding himself back against black widow means he was holding himself back against Hulk? Haha. Its like talking to fangirl with random A4 scans popping up every few posts.

So Thor has never made hand motions while summoning lightning from mjolnir? Never?

Originally posted by Uriel005
PIS/CIS off I give it to Thor with the ring and Lantern. Ultimately I think the versatility of the ring is more blatent and a CIS'less Thor will find ways to counter his own Mjolnir once he gets the ring is based on will and creativity.

Hal would still need to finangle all the functions out of the hammer many of which are not blatantly obvious and don't necessarily follow his style.

Long story short Thor can basically use the Ring as he pleases simply because its rather intuitive.

Hal has to figure out Mjolnir and Thor's had it for how long and forgets it has energy absorbtion/matter manip/esoteric BS powers so I don't see him figuring it all out beyond what he needs.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So him holding himself back against [b]black widow means he was holding himself back against Hulk? Haha. Its like talking to fangirl with random A4 scans popping up every few posts.

So Thor has never made hand motions while summoning lightning from mjolnir? Never? [/B]

Did I say that? You quoted an off hand statement that I made not in reference to the Hulk but Thor's relationship with Mjolnir. Now I'm clarifying what I meant. facepalm

Like that scene? None that I can recall. Do you know of anymore? I'd like to add some more to the list.

Originally posted by ODG
I'd make the argument that Thor doesn't require any sort of creativity to counter Mjolnir. He was fighting Masterson Thor w/ Mjolnir just fine with his raw strength and skill. He doesn't really need the ring at all.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I thought we were assuming some level of competency.... jk Masterson's cool in my books but I think Hal would make a better fight in terms of experience and the fact that he has experience with a more imaginative weapon for far longer than Masterson. I think he would look into Mjolnir's powers and would do a better job of it than Masterson but I just don't think a year is enough time,

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did I say that? You quoted an off hand statement that I made not in reference to the Hulk but Thor's relationship with Mjolnir. Now I'm clarifying what I meant. facepalm

Like that scene? None that I can recall. Do you know of anymore? I'd like to add some more to the list.

I know of some scenes in a fight with one of Thor's recurring foes. I don't remember who it was. Maybe Ulik or someone. Its been months since I last read Thor's old comics, so its hard to remember. When I get the whole torrent downloaded, I would search for them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You said something to me once "read before post". Practice what you preach bro.

I know of some scenes in a fight with one of Thor's recurring foes. I don't remember who it was. Maybe Ulik or someone. Its been months since I last read Thor's old comics, so its hard to remember. When I get the whole torrent downloaded, I would search for them.

I do, all the time. Which is why I decided to better clarify my position as you seemed to misinterpret it or get confused.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I do, all the time. Which is why I decided to better clarify my position as you seemed to misinterpret it or get confused.

Good luck.

Thanks.

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Energy based weapon vs one of the top 3 energy drain devices in marvel.... good luck Hal

Split.