Originally posted by carver9
Lol...if it was just lip service, you'll probably have a point but it was so much more. Herc MAXIMUM power output was measured which gave them an indication of how much Hercs it would take to be this powerful, etc... If it was just something made up without any measurement, you'll probably have a point.The weapons was also measured by shield which gave them an indication that those weapons generate as much force as Thor power output. Banner also said this along with Daredevil. No one is saying that its Thor best but again, they were stated as being Thor level.
You really want me to go this route?
If an "herc" is the maximum output of hercules power
And non WW hulk can with stand 130+ hercs of force
WHY a non meassured punch of herc is affecting the WWHulk?
This two events happened under the SAME writer.
Give me a logical answer
Why WWH is geting affected for what it seems less than one Herc but non-WWH(even if it is WWH) is withstanding 130+ hercs?
The only logical answer is that "one herc" is a wrong meassure thrown in the storyline to make it more shocking. Or hercules hits harder than one herc. In any case the only conclusion is that "one herc" is a wrong measure.
Originally posted by carver9
An attack that Thor had to take time to do? Thor would get blitzed before any oft that happened. His durability is that special. The guy withstood a weapon that could rewrite molecules on a subatomic level. That's just the minimum of what he's done.
Thor hardly needs to charge that long to level Hulk. The fading risidual energy was all it took to turn him back to Banner.
I guess Thor better not try all those molecule manip attacks he has then...
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You really want me to go this route?If an "herc" is the maximum output of hercules power
And non WW hulk can with stand 130+ hercs of force
WHY a non meassured punch of herc is affecting the WWHulk?
This two events happened under the SAME writer.
Give me a logical answer
Why WWH is geting affected for what it seems less than one Herc but non-WWH(even if it is WWH) is withstanding 130+ hercs?
The only logical answer is that "one herc" is a wrong meassure thrown in the storyline to make it more shocking. Or hercules hits harder than one herc. In any case the only conclusion is that "one herc" is a wrong measure.
Herc caught him off guard. They threw dust down his throat and eyes and Herc uppercuts him afterwards. Herc punches has also affected Zeus but Herc is a pale image to his father but in this case, Herc surprised punched Hulk. Also, after the World at War arc, WWH became even more powerful. That arc was just the tip of the iceberg. The guy was capable of fightimg old villains that was amped a thousand folds (and equal to Savage Hulk without the amps).
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I did not saw Hulk becoming more powerful after the WWH arc UNTIL HOTM.So I think We might be reading diffrent comics.
Uuuummm, he was able to actively achieve WBH whenever he wanted to which means he can actively increase his strength whenever he wanted. He was so powerful that the combined forces of the fantastic four and the Avenegers didn't fight him...hell, he told them they didn't stand a chance fighting him and the team consisted of Heralds. He took out Loeb Rulk that amped off of his power with a Thunder clap. Defeated two Savage Hulk level beings that was amped a thousand fold by punching them into orbit. He took on the entire race of Mindless Ones with one hand and during the same time Umar stated she couldn't handle them (this happened before he went World Breaker). In not going to name everything he did after World at War but its obvious he was more powerful. Far more powerful.
Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummm, he was able to actively achieve WBH whenever he wanted to which means he can actively increase his strength whenever he wanted. He was so powerful that the combined forces of the fantastic four and the Avenegers didn't fight him...hell, he told them they didn't stand a chance fighting him and the team consisted of Heralds. He took out Loeb Rulk that amped off of his power with a Thunder clap. Defeated two Savage Hulk level beings that was amped a thousand fold by punching them into orbit. He took on the entire race of Mindless Ones with one hand and during the same time Umar stated she couldn't handle them (this happened before he went World Breaker). In not going to name everything he did after World at War but its obvious he was more powerful. Far more powerful.
You are bringing instances in which he is in wb mode holding back and trying to pass them as regular hulk.
The explaination you gave before about being distracted is kind of silly as Pak is basically saying that Hulk innards are 130 times more powerful than hercules but then he contradicts himself with hercules rocking hulk out.
You see where this is going?
Those meassurements thrown lightly are contradicted by the same writter so they are invalid.
Hulk is def stronger than herc, hulks innards are def not stronger than 130 hercs and pak evidence contradicts his own narration. If pak were to say that WBH is 130 times more powerful than Herc, then you have a case. But he contradicts himself up.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
The only logical answer is that "one herc" is a wrong meassure thrown in the storyline to make it more shocking. Or hercules hits harder than one herc. In any case the only conclusion is that "one herc" is a wrong measure.
Or maybe that things like this always vary from scene to scene in comic books?
People refusing to acknowledge basic, self-evident facts like this lead to the most useless debates with two sides going round and round forever because they both clinging to one of a pair of facts that "logically" cant both be true....unless of course we were discussing comic books.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are bringing instances in which he is in wb mode holding back and trying to pass them as regular hulk.The explaination you gave before about being distracted is kind of silly as Pak is basically saying that Hulk innards are 130 times more powerful than hercules but then he contradicts himself with hercules rocking hulk out.
You see where this is going?
Those meassurements thrown lightly are contradicted by the same writter so they are invalid.
Hulk is def stronger than herc, hulks innards are def not stronger than 130 hercs and pak evidence contradicts his own narration. If pak were to say that WBH is 130 times more powerful than Herc, then you have a case. But he contradicts himself up.
Not one instance I named had anything to do with WBH. Not one. Please dont make me post them.
Ohhhhhh, trust me, I get what you are saying but like usual, you are wrong when you debate again me.
Like I said before, it was a sneak attack and a plan... and that plan failed. Your argument is like me saying.
"Since Batman amped off Bane Venom can rock Superman (and this is truly a rock, not a sneak attack), Bane amped off Venom or Batman amped off Bane Venom can bench press planets for 5 days".
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Is this what you are saying bro. No contradiction was made. Maybe you need to relook at the scene my friend.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That will work if this was done by the same writer and of course we know that a street level rocking a top tier is just plain bad writing and here it will fit to say that superman innards are stronger than 130 banes.But not in the case of herc vs hulk unless you think herc is street level.
Ok, I can do better than that. The same Writer showed Superman bench pressing a planet of weights. After this showing, the same writer had Superman punching a dinosaur with mountain busting power. Under the same writer and the sane scientist during the planet benching scene, she stated that Superman power exceed what he showed before (planet benching) and the power that Superman was giving off during the moment was mountain busting. Which one do you accept my friend?
Like I've said before, during the Hulk instance, they prepped for that punch...during the Batman and mountain busting showing, everything was pretty much up front.
Lol at it being PIS when it involves your character. I call PIS on the Herc showing. LOL
Originally posted by carver9
Was Apollo and Caitlin power level measured?
Who ever called them that was "measuring" their power level, it is a wrong meassure but they were just loselly throwing some wild meaurements out.
I think I made my point and We should just leave it there.
As per the thread
Thor should win if he fights smart and most likely loose if he goes into close combat IMO
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Who ever called them that was "measuring" their power level, it is a wrong meassure but they were just loselly throwing some wild meaurements out.I think I made my point and We should just leave it there.
As per the thread
Thor should win if he fights smart and most likely loose if he goes into close combat IMO
They were not wrong though and that wasnt the only time the Herc measurement was used.
I made my point as well...nice debating with you like old times buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I can do better than that. The same Writer showed Superman bench pressing a planet of weights. After this showing, the same writer had Superman punching a dinosaur with mountain busting power. Under the same writer and the sane scientist during the planet benching scene, she stated that Superman power exceed what he showed before (planet benching) and the power that Superman was giving off during the moment was mountain busting. Which one do you accept my friend?Like I've said before, during the Hulk instance, they prepped for that punch...during the Batman and mountain busting showing, everything was pretty much up front.
Lol at it being PIS when it involves your character. I call PIS on the Herc showing. LOL
Either earth weights a mountain
Earth weights earth
earth weights earth but superman punched only mountain level
saying that he punched mountain level is a statement trown losely into the narration.
You pick the one that is more logical
And no is not PIS is bad writting and is not because is my favorite character, is just because the idea of a street level doing that to a top tier is silly and is mostly shown as a shock value.
