Originally posted by DolosI've read it.
That would be an unnecessary waste of time as I have already referenced you to the Before Watchman series, and the rules do not require standard citation for the invalidation of theses.
I want to see the specific scans that you're citing exactly where Dr Manhattan is portrayed as a no limits fallacy probability alter-er. I want to see what exactly led you to your conclusion, and why he can accomplish this in a fight against Solar.
Because changing names on a paper does not make an abstract level character
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I've read it.I want to see the specific scans that you're citing exactly where Dr Manhattan is portrayed as a no limits fallacy probability alter-er. I want to see what exactly led you to your conclusion, and why he can accomplish this in a fight against Solar.
Because changing names on a paper does not make an abstract level character
I reiterate, Doctor Manhattan's level of probability manipulation doesn't justify only victories. However, it does justify a no limits fallacy.
"I am legion."
-Doctor Manhattan.
Apropos; he can alter any event that involves him. Any event that he's present in that involves Solar, he can alter.
In one probability, Doctor Manhattan creates a time machine, and gains the ability to time travel. In that probability; he's present at the moment of Solar's creation and, therefore, he can nullify Solar's creation.
However, he could also go back and make it so the human race never started the Cold War and live out his life as a Jon Osterman. However, the reality in which the Cold War lead to global annihilation would still be there. This creates a multiplicity of realities. So this is what I mean when I conceded to Mindset's point that DM has infinite wins, losses, and stalemates.
Originally posted by NemeBroNo, his freewill is dubious with his lack of freewill. In this duplicity, there is equality, it neither lean toward non-freewill, nor toward freewill.
The entire point of Doctor Manhattan is that while he has a non-linear perspective of time, he can do nothing to alter his future, and doesn't so much "act" as watch himself do things.
Originally posted by Dolosno it doesn't. The guy couldn't even stop a nuclear war had it happened. Hence him trying so hard that it never started in the first place.
I reiterate, Doctor Manhattan's level of probability manipulation doesn't justify only victories. However, it does justify a no limits fallacy."I am legion."
-Doctor Manhattan.
Apropos; he can alter any event that involves him. Any event that he's present in that involves Solar, he can alter.
In one probability, Doctor Manhattan creates a time machine, and gains the ability to time travel. In that probability; he's present at the moment of Solar's creation and, therefore, he can nullify Solar's creation.
However, he could also go back and make it so the human race never started the Cold War and live out his life as a Jon Osterman. However, the reality in which the Cold War lead to global annihilation would still be there. This creates a multiplicity of realities. So this is what I mean when I conceded to Mindset's point that DM has infinite wins, losses, and stalemates.
And his altering made him pick a different name on a piece of paper... Which then led to the fracturing of multiple realities that pretty much all ended with the world blowing up. So yeah, his probability altering worked out really swell.
How in God's purple cock is that in any way a probability in a comic, let alone a vs thread?
I don't get why you're making so much shit up? If I were you I'd just twist that he could create pocket realities... at least that'd have some sort of merit, well it doesn't, but moreso than God intervening that's for sure
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
no it doesn't. The guy couldn't even stop a nuclear war had it happened. Hence him trying so hard that it never started in the first place.
It only applies to him. He can't jump into other people's timelines.And his altering made him pick a different name on a piece of paper... Which then led to the fracturing of multiple realities that pretty much all ended with the world blowing up. So yeah, his probability altering worked out really swell.
How in God's purple cock is that in any way a probability in a comic, let alone a vs thread?
I don't get why you're making so much shit up? If I were you I'd just twist that he could create pocket realities... at least that'd have some sort of merit
He did stop the nuclear war by not being Jon Osterman. His dilemma was that he couldn't be Jon Osterman. So actually he could get both potentialities simultaneously, hence making more realities. The problem was that his existence had a starting point, so in that reality it will always have a starting point. So he just assumed let it be, because all he'd be doing in living a human life and living a life as Doctor Manhattan after the advent of a time machine, is effectively adding complexity - without ever liberating himself from being doomed to the reality in which he's Doctor Manhattan.
I'm making things up, but I'm still using the nature of Doctor Manhattan's canon portrayal to come to my conclusions. Which is what any debtor engaged in this kind of versus debate always ends up doing.
Originally posted by Dolosso he couldn't actually stop it is what you're saying.
He did stop the nuclear war by not being Jon Osterman. His dilemma was that he couldn't be Jon Osterman. So actually he could get both potentialities simultaneously, hence making more realities. The problem was that his existence had a starting point, so in that reality it will always have a starting point. So he just assumed let it be, because all he'd be doing in living a human life and living a life as Doctor Manhattan after the advent of a time machine, is effectively adding complexity - without ever liberating himself from being doomed to the reality in which he's Doctor Manhattan.
Also, you're talking about alternate realities anyway. If for some reason Dr Manhattan ever whipped out a time machine in a fight with Solar and for some reason Dr Manhattan had access to that, that'd be happening to an alternate version of Solar.
Like how what happened in one reality didn't effect an already existing reality, it just sparked a new one in the comic you're making shit up from.
There's a reason I asked for scans for your arguments...
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
so he couldn't actually stop it is what you're saying.Also, you're talking about alternate realities anyway. If for some reason Dr Manhattan ever whipped out a time machine in a fight with Solar and for some reason Dr Manhattan had access to that, that'd be happening to an alternate version of Solar.
So what makes one reality more real than the other?