Originally posted by Insane Titan
Haha you've been proved wrong on the MM Sentry .Thanos toyed with Lord Marvell who was empowered by the cancerverse gods and would of killed all the Annihilators with one blast if Quasar didn't combine their powers to save them, Sentry can't even come close to that power
Says you
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Might as well start using that type of logic to claim that Wonderman can one-shot Thor. Because using their respective feats under a single writer(the very same writer who's notorious for wanking the hell out of his favorite characters and completely pooping all over the character traits of those whom he isn't familiar with) is totally the way to go about it. 👆Push? You crack me up worse than h1's daily antics on the board. 😆
Because of course its perfectly clear I wasnt being facetious in any way. My saying "But seriously..." at the end was obviously a red herring and an attempt to throw you all off....but I couldnt fool you.
Well done Sherlock.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
don't worry about Fith is a massive Hulk fanboy of herochat who once claimed Thanos would struggle against Thing n co who Hulk knocked out
Thats cool bro - who are you? I've seen you follow me round here in a few threads but I must confess I've got no idea who you are.
Apologies.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Nice attempt to detract from fact you're talking nonsense as I've quoted you maybe twice at most
Thats right - thats twice thats you've walked into a thread out of the blue to announce to everyone that I am a Hulk fan from Herochat.
Its kind of nice - like having my own personal Herald.
Maybe I can PM you to let you know when I am posting in the future? Would that help?
Originally posted by Insane Titan
and? So what if I am, do you want a medal or something?
I know right... I knew it was you the first time you bcalled someone an idiot. I think it was the first day that you came back on. So does this make you a sock? Just wonderng, because I thought that socks get banned the moment that they are discovered. Well all the same, welcome back.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Tbh if an all out Sentry couldn't beat Green Scar I don't see how he's beating Thanos either, at least power vs power.
There was important context to that fight, which Hulk fanboys and Sentry haters like to either ignore, or leave out on purpose, because it suits them.
I'm going to quote myself:
Here is why WW Hulk was facing Sentry at one of his lowest moments:
Robert Reynolds also known as the Sentry is an ill man. He is a diagnosed schizophrenic with generalized anxiety disorder and agoraphobia. His illness plays an important role, when it comes to his power level and here is why:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...038-1234124.jpg
The important part is highlighted yellow. As you can see his creator stats that if he is in a stable mind-set, he is basically invincible. But if his mental state wavers, his power level sinks and something like that was very obvious throughout his appearances in the comics, but before we get to that one, we have to cover up why his power level is affected by his mental state and for that we have to talk about his illness...
Diagnosed schizophrenia:
This part does not have all tooooo much to do with his power-set but more so with who the character is. Few symptoms of schizophrenia are hallucinations (which in Sentry's case manifest as the Void), lack of motivation (which he displayed every now and then) and even moments of a catatonic state (which he displayed during Collective's rampage, but that will be covered up as well).
Generalized anxiety disorder:
This part now already starts explaining the inconsistency of his power-level, which were affected by his mental illness. Anxiety disorder has quite a few of symptoms and Sentry displayed many of them, like for example apprehension (since he was sometimes terrified by his own power), fear (since he was sometimes afraid of the Void), and all of that can affect ones physical and psychological health, which was certainly the case for the Sentry. Even though he had all that power his mind was still affected by the illness and when it overcame him, his power-level sank as the side-effect.
Agoraphobia:
As if that was not enough, he also suffers from agoraphobia.
To make it short: Agoraphobia is a phobia, that makes you feeling uncomfortable and threatened, if you're in a crowded, or wide-open space, where you wouldn't really have a chance to hide to avoid the uneasiness. Additionally to that one is afraid of getting a panic attack in such locations and to avoid such moments the suffering person usually tries to go greatest lenghts to avoid such moments, or they're even unable to leave their home.
This of course happened in comics:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189060-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189061-1.jpg
The first instance shows Tony Stark talking to Sentry about his mental state. He knows that Sentry could end up feeling uncomfortable and having a panic attack at the location where they were going.
The second instance took place during the World War Hulk saga, where Sentry was unable to leave his home, because of the agoraphobia.
He was in such a weak mental state, that he was literally standing in his doorway for 29 hours and he stayed at home even for a longer period of time, since later on he was sitting around and watching Hulk's rampage in the television. He decided to enter the fight, when it looked like Hulk was finally going to kill the heroes and that fight was a good indicator just how powerful the Sentry even in a weak mental state is, which weakens him. He was still able to stalemate one of the most powerful versions of the Hulk, even though he was weakened.
Think about it. There are two ways that outcome could have happened: Either Sentry was dishing out so much damage that Hulk had to expend all of his gamma radiation to heal himself from the damage, or the Hulk had to expend all of his gamma radiation to do enough damage to the Sentry to take him down.
So during WW Hulk we had a very weak Sentry, who released his powers and destroyed few city-blocks. Noteably his fire was burning for 3 days after the fight!
That is the power he had under his disposal at that point due to his mental weakness, but that is the point: He was weakened... It's like you would send Superman with a piece of Kryptonite in his trunks to face an opponent.
Let's switch to one of these instances, where he was in a fragile state. Because of his anxiety disorder he was even in a catatonic state, until Captain America ordered him to help:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189329-1.jpg
He was needed, because the Collective (a man with the power of 50 different and powerful mutants) was running around and killing people. The Collective at that point killed the entire superhero team Alpha Flight. He killed everyone besides Sasquatch.
The Collective also empowered Ms. Marvel and turned her into Binary. Of course he didn't do it willingly, but by a mistake. She wanted to use that as an advantage and attacked him, but she didn't stand a chance at all against him and got defeated casually in a matter of moments. And this is where you have to keep in mind that Binary is so powerful, that she once destroyed an entire planet.
Sentry then arrived to the fight and stalemated the Collective for ... few issues I think. It was an fairly even fight. He was in a weak mental state and therefore less powerful, but obviously still more powerful than planet busters like Binary.
It is only fair to say that the Collective was also not at his peak, because he was still inexperienced with his powers. So they were about even, but the longer the fight went the more Sentry got hit:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189336-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189337-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189338-3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189339-4.jpg
So in that instance we saw the Sentry having mental problems and not being willing to do much, but when Captain America ordered him to help them he immediately stood up and helped them by stalemating the Collective for few issues and during their fight they destroyed a nearby moon judging by the round shape, so much more than a regular city level destruction, but ... that was still not Sentry's best showing.
Let's take a different instance as an example of a fight, where his mental stability was not mentioned. In his fight against Photon, Photon and Sentry were releasing so much energy that they were destroying the planet below them and endangering Captain America, who was on it - and they were still holding back:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189301-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189303-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189304-3.jpg
When Photon teleported Captain America away, they both cut loose and you could see Sentry's golden energy expanding (while Photon's energy was crystalish blue, yet later on not present anymore) and leaving the Microverse.
To sum it up:
World War arc Sentry = in a very weak mental state = Releases his energy and starts destroying the city and also overpowering World War Hulk.
The Collective arc Sentry = in a less weak mental state, since he immediately joined the fight, instead of waiting for 2 days = stalemates the Collective for multiple issues and destroys a moon in space in the process.
New Thunderbolts arc Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = destroys planets, while still holding back.
Bonus:
Civil War Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = easily overloads the Absorbing Man, who absorbed the power of so many powerful opponents over and over again.
Paul Jenkins Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = beats the crap out of the Void and tosses him into the Sun. I want to see Hulk and Thor doing that :-|
Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]There was important context to that fight, which Hulk fanboys and Sentry haters like to either ignore, or leave out on purpose, because it suits them.I'm going to quote myself:
Here is why WW Hulk was facing Sentry at one of his lowest moments:
Robert Reynolds also known as the Sentry is an ill man. He is a diagnosed schizophrenic with generalized anxiety disorder and agoraphobia. His illness plays an important role, when it comes to his power level and here is why:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...038-1234124.jpgThe important part is highlighted yellow. As you can see his creator stats that if he is in a stable mind-set, he is basically invincible. But if his mental state wavers, his power level sinks and something like that was very obvious throughout his appearances in the comics, but before we get to that one, we have to cover up why his power level is affected by his mental state and for that we have to talk about his illness...
Diagnosed schizophrenia:
This part does not have all tooooo much to do with his power-set but more so with who the character is. Few symptoms of schizophrenia are hallucinations (which in Sentry's case manifest as the Void), lack of motivation (which he displayed every now and then) and even moments of a catatonic state (which he displayed during Collective's rampage, but that will be covered up as well).
Generalized anxiety disorder:
This part now already starts explaining the inconsistency of his power-level, which were affected by his mental illness. Anxiety disorder has quite a few of symptoms and Sentry displayed many of them, like for example apprehension (since he was sometimes terrified by his own power), fear (since he was sometimes afraid of the Void), and all of that can affect ones physical and psychological health, which was certainly the case for the Sentry. Even though he had all that power his mind was still affected by the illness and when it overcame him, his power-level sank as the side-effect.
Agoraphobia:
As if that was not enough, he also suffers from agoraphobia.
To make it short: Agoraphobia is a phobia, that makes you feeling uncomfortable and threatened, if you're in a crowded, or wide-open space, where you wouldn't really have a chance to hide to avoid the uneasiness. Additionally to that one is afraid of getting a panic attack in such locations and to avoid such moments the suffering person usually tries to go greatest lenghts to avoid such moments, or they're even unable to leave their home.This of course happened in comics:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189060-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189061-1.jpgThe first instance shows Tony Stark talking to Sentry about his mental state. He knows that Sentry could end up feeling uncomfortable and having a panic attack at the location where they were going.
The second instance took place during the World War Hulk saga, where Sentry was unable to leave his home, because of the agoraphobia.
He was in such a weak mental state, that he was literally standing in his doorway for 29 hours and he stayed at home even for a longer period of time, since later on he was sitting around and watching Hulk's rampage in the television. He decided to enter the fight, when it looked like Hulk was finally going to kill the heroes and that fight was a good indicator just how powerful the Sentry even in a weak mental state is, which weakens him. He was still able to stalemate one of the most powerful versions of the Hulk, even though he was weakened.Think about it. There are two ways that outcome could have happened: Either Sentry was dishing out so much damage that Hulk had to expend all of his gamma radiation to heal himself from the damage, or the Hulk had to expend all of his gamma radiation to do enough damage to the Sentry to take him down.
So during WW Hulk we had a very weak Sentry, who released his powers and destroyed few city-blocks. Noteably his fire was burning for 3 days after the fight!
That is the power he had under his disposal at that point due to his mental weakness, but that is the point: He was weakened... It's like you would send Superman with a piece of Kryptonite in his trunks to face an opponent.Let's switch to one of these instances, where he was in a fragile state. Because of his anxiety disorder he was even in a catatonic state, until Captain America ordered him to help:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189329-1.jpgHe was needed, because the Collective (a man with the power of 50 different and powerful mutants) was running around and killing people. The Collective at that point killed the entire superhero team Alpha Flight. He killed everyone besides Sasquatch.
The Collective also empowered Ms. Marvel and turned her into Binary. Of course he didn't do it willingly, but by a mistake. She wanted to use that as an advantage and attacked him, but she didn't stand a chance at all against him and got defeated casually in a matter of moments. And this is where you have to keep in mind that Binary is so powerful, that she once destroyed an entire planet.
Sentry then arrived to the fight and stalemated the Collective for ... few issues I think. It was an fairly even fight. He was in a weak mental state and therefore less powerful, but obviously still more powerful than planet busters like Binary.
It is only fair to say that the Collective was also not at his peak, because he was still inexperienced with his powers. So they were about even, but the longer the fight went the more Sentry got hit:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189336-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189337-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189338-3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189339-4.jpgSo in that instance we saw the Sentry having mental problems and not being willing to do much, but when Captain America ordered him to help them he immediately stood up and helped them by stalemating the Collective for few issues and during their fight they destroyed a nearby moon judging by the round shape, so much more than a regular city level destruction, but ... that was still not Sentry's best showing.
Let's take a different instance as an example of a fight, where his mental stability was not mentioned. In his fight against Photon, Photon and Sentry were releasing so much energy that they were destroying the planet below them and endangering Captain America, who was on it - and they were still holding back:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189301-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189303-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189304-3.jpgWhen Photon teleported Captain America away, they both cut loose and you could see Sentry's golden energy expanding (while Photon's energy was crystalish blue, yet later on not present anymore) and leaving the Microverse.
To sum it up:
World War arc Sentry = in a very weak mental state = Releases his energy and starts destroying the city and also overpowering World War Hulk.
The Collective arc Sentry = in a less weak mental state, since he immediately joined the fight, instead of waiting for 2 days = stalemates the Collective for multiple issues and destroys a moon in space in the process.
New Thunderbolts arc Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = destroys planets, while still holding back.
Bonus:
Civil War Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = easily overloads the Absorbing Man, who absorbed the power of so many powerful opponents over and over again.Paul Jenkins Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = beats the crap out of the Void and tosses him into the Sun. I want to see Hulk and Thor doing that :-| [/B]
Space cheese feats, and collateral damage are something that is very inconsistent in comics and doesn't really have any relevance in regards to their fight at the end of WWH. If Sentry fought Thanos in the same manner he did Hulk he would fall again.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Because of course its perfectly clear I wasnt being facetious in any way. My saying "But seriously..." at the end was obviously a red herring and an attempt to throw you all off....but I couldnt fool you.Well done Sherlock.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I didn't ask for the history lesson I know all about Sentry, and he wasn't weakened in the Hulk fight. He overcame his fear after the various pep talks and unleashed his full power stated by the Sentry himself, the characters watching the fight, and Greg Pak. This squashes your OPINION period.Space cheese feats, and collateral damage are something that is very inconsistent in comics and doesn't really have any relevance in regards to their fight at the end of WWH. If Sentry fought Thanos in the same manner he did Hulk he would fall again.
No
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I didn't ask for the history lesson I know all about Sentry, and he wasn't weakened in the Hulk fight.
I provided enough proof to the overall context to show that the Sentry was weakened. I didn't do it to inform you, but everyone else who reads through the thread and has an open mind, instead of making decisions on bias alone.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
He overcame his fear after the various pep talks and unleashed his full power stated by the Sentry himself, the characters watching the fight, and Greg Pak. This squashes your OPINION period.
No, after the "various pep talks" he stayed for over 29 hours at home and was not able to leave. He only left, when Hulk had all the heroes at his mercy and it looked like he was gong to kill them. Sentry had no other choice but to intervene.
I'm not saying that he didn't unleash his full power. What I'm saying is that he unleashed all the power he had under his disposal during that fight. In other fights, where was not mentally weakened he unleashed more power.
Multiple writers take on something >>> one writers take on something, but then again.. Pak also stated that the Sentry started losing control and became a threat to everyone around, so he insisted on taking the damage in order to keep himself down.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Space cheese feats, and collateral damage are something that is very inconsistent in comics and doesn't really have any relevance in regards to their fight at the end of WWH. If Sentry fought Thanos in the same manner he did Hulk he would fall again.
"Space cheese feats" are the perfect opportunity for uber-powerful characters to showcase what they've got.
Thor said that he holds back on Earth, due to many of his opponents being weaker than him. In space he came up with much more impressive feats like fighting Celestials and beating the crap out of other heralds like the Silver Surfer.
It's ridiculous to expect the Sentry to use his power on Earth and simply destroy everything, because then we wouldn't have stories anymore. When in space (twice), he cut loose and caused much, much, much more destruction (twice) and now with the Uncanny Avengers he did it three times.
If the Sentry fought Thanos the same way he fought Thanos, then it would be a PIS battle that he is supposed to lose, just like WW Hulk was full of PIS and just like so many other fights are.
If Sentry fought at his best, which we let a character do in forum battles he would beat Thanos due to him having an insane speed advantage, an equal amount of versatility, if not more and in the end of the day more raw damage output.
I'm done with this.
Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]There was important context to that fight, which Hulk fanboys and Sentry haters like to either ignore, or leave out on purpose, because it suits them.I'm going to quote myself:
Here is why WW Hulk was facing Sentry at one of his lowest moments:
Robert Reynolds also known as the Sentry is an ill man. He is a diagnosed schizophrenic with generalized anxiety disorder and agoraphobia. His illness plays an important role, when it comes to his power level and here is why:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...038-1234124.jpgThe important part is highlighted yellow. As you can see his creator stats that if he is in a stable mind-set, he is basically invincible. But if his mental state wavers, his power level sinks and something like that was very obvious throughout his appearances in the comics, but before we get to that one, we have to cover up why his power level is affected by his mental state and for that we have to talk about his illness...
Diagnosed schizophrenia:
This part does not have all tooooo much to do with his power-set but more so with who the character is. Few symptoms of schizophrenia are hallucinations (which in Sentry's case manifest as the Void), lack of motivation (which he displayed every now and then) and even moments of a catatonic state (which he displayed during Collective's rampage, but that will be covered up as well).
Generalized anxiety disorder:
This part now already starts explaining the inconsistency of his power-level, which were affected by his mental illness. Anxiety disorder has quite a few of symptoms and Sentry displayed many of them, like for example apprehension (since he was sometimes terrified by his own power), fear (since he was sometimes afraid of the Void), and all of that can affect ones physical and psychological health, which was certainly the case for the Sentry. Even though he had all that power his mind was still affected by the illness and when it overcame him, his power-level sank as the side-effect.
Agoraphobia:
As if that was not enough, he also suffers from agoraphobia.
To make it short: Agoraphobia is a phobia, that makes you feeling uncomfortable and threatened, if you're in a crowded, or wide-open space, where you wouldn't really have a chance to hide to avoid the uneasiness. Additionally to that one is afraid of getting a panic attack in such locations and to avoid such moments the suffering person usually tries to go greatest lenghts to avoid such moments, or they're even unable to leave their home.This of course happened in comics:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189060-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189061-1.jpgThe first instance shows Tony Stark talking to Sentry about his mental state. He knows that Sentry could end up feeling uncomfortable and having a panic attack at the location where they were going.
The second instance took place during the World War Hulk saga, where Sentry was unable to leave his home, because of the agoraphobia.
He was in such a weak mental state, that he was literally standing in his doorway for 29 hours and he stayed at home even for a longer period of time, since later on he was sitting around and watching Hulk's rampage in the television. He decided to enter the fight, when it looked like Hulk was finally going to kill the heroes and that fight was a good indicator just how powerful the Sentry even in a weak mental state is, which weakens him. He was still able to stalemate one of the most powerful versions of the Hulk, even though he was weakened.Think about it. There are two ways that outcome could have happened: Either Sentry was dishing out so much damage that Hulk had to expend all of his gamma radiation to heal himself from the damage, or the Hulk had to expend all of his gamma radiation to do enough damage to the Sentry to take him down.
So during WW Hulk we had a very weak Sentry, who released his powers and destroyed few city-blocks. Noteably his fire was burning for 3 days after the fight!
That is the power he had under his disposal at that point due to his mental weakness, but that is the point: He was weakened... It's like you would send Superman with a piece of Kryptonite in his trunks to face an opponent.Let's switch to one of these instances, where he was in a fragile state. Because of his anxiety disorder he was even in a catatonic state, until Captain America ordered him to help:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189329-1.jpgHe was needed, because the Collective (a man with the power of 50 different and powerful mutants) was running around and killing people. The Collective at that point killed the entire superhero team Alpha Flight. He killed everyone besides Sasquatch.
The Collective also empowered Ms. Marvel and turned her into Binary. Of course he didn't do it willingly, but by a mistake. She wanted to use that as an advantage and attacked him, but she didn't stand a chance at all against him and got defeated casually in a matter of moments. And this is where you have to keep in mind that Binary is so powerful, that she once destroyed an entire planet.
Sentry then arrived to the fight and stalemated the Collective for ... few issues I think. It was an fairly even fight. He was in a weak mental state and therefore less powerful, but obviously still more powerful than planet busters like Binary.
It is only fair to say that the Collective was also not at his peak, because he was still inexperienced with his powers. So they were about even, but the longer the fight went the more Sentry got hit:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189336-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189337-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189338-3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189339-4.jpgSo in that instance we saw the Sentry having mental problems and not being willing to do much, but when Captain America ordered him to help them he immediately stood up and helped them by stalemating the Collective for few issues and during their fight they destroyed a nearby moon judging by the round shape, so much more than a regular city level destruction, but ... that was still not Sentry's best showing.
Let's take a different instance as an example of a fight, where his mental stability was not mentioned. In his fight against Photon, Photon and Sentry were releasing so much energy that they were destroying the planet below them and endangering Captain America, who was on it - and they were still holding back:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189301-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189303-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2/3189304-3.jpgWhen Photon teleported Captain America away, they both cut loose and you could see Sentry's golden energy expanding (while Photon's energy was crystalish blue, yet later on not present anymore) and leaving the Microverse.
To sum it up:
World War arc Sentry = in a very weak mental state = Releases his energy and starts destroying the city and also overpowering World War Hulk.
The Collective arc Sentry = in a less weak mental state, since he immediately joined the fight, instead of waiting for 2 days = stalemates the Collective for multiple issues and destroys a moon in space in the process.
New Thunderbolts arc Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = destroys planets, while still holding back.
Bonus:
Civil War Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = easily overloads the Absorbing Man, who absorbed the power of so many powerful opponents over and over again.Paul Jenkins Sentry = his mental state is not mentioned = beats the crap out of the Void and tosses him into the Sun. I want to see Hulk and Thor doing that :-| [/B]
That's an inaccarate attestation on your part. The Sentry was fine before his battle with the Hulk, Tony Stark give him the pep talk, and he we confident. Even as he flies in he is filled woth confidence, as his face shows that he is right before the conflict begins. Your claims are false, Sentry got beat, and the only place that I coulc possibly see his confidence falter was when he gets hit by the hulk. You call others fanbays, you may be guilty of doing the same thing. There is no evidence whatsoever that point to Bob being underconfident during his fight with Banner. You seen to be making this all up to suit your favored character.
