Originally posted by Oliver North
by high crime rates you, of course, mean lowest in living memory or since reliable statistics on such things have been recorded, yes?
Per capita and comparable to non western societies. Even taking into consideration variables such as over legislation, corruption, and lack of enforcement of certain laws. Even taking into consideration that on average 5% of incarcerated persons are innocent and the even higher percentage of those arrested but did not commit the crime(FBI study). western societies still have significantly higher crime rates.
Originally posted by AstnerWell that's to be expected, of course.
Which further increased the likelihood of the "fitting in" business readily addressed in the study.
Cocaine has a way of making a person more extroverted. Without feeling larger than life I am aware. I can tell that when someone is kind to me that it is truly fake, they must know who I am. It's like they've trained themselves to converse with me the exact same mother****ing way. It's creepy, it's as if the whole world has had a meeting concerning how to act around me. Like when I leave a room they all gather round and are like "He's gonna burn." I even had a History teacher use me for the example of being the subject of a Ghost Dance like American Imperialists were.
Originally posted by Raisen
Per capita and comparable to non western societies. Even taking into consideration variables such as over legislation, corruption, and lack of enforcement of certain laws. Even taking into consideration that on average 5% of incarcerated persons are innocent and the even higher percentage of those arrested but did not commit the crime(FBI study). western societies still have significantly higher crime rates.
What non-Western societies report detailed crime statistics?
India is a good example of a non-Western country that has a frightening crime rate despite it being understood that a large percentage of crimes are unofficially unreported.
Originally posted by Raisen
Per capita and comparable to non western societies. Even taking into consideration variables such as over legislation, corruption, and lack of enforcement of certain laws. Even taking into consideration that on average 5% of incarcerated persons are innocent and the even higher percentage of those arrested but did not commit the crime(FBI study). western societies still have significantly higher crime rates.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What non-Western societies report detailed crime statistics?
I believe he is including non-geographically or ethnically "western" societies like Japan and South Korea, which are themselves democratic-capitalist societies, making the "west/non-west" distinction kind of moot.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Of course it has nothing to do with "Western" societies having more efficient systems of reporting and recording crimes than "Non-Western" societies.
his point is even more absurd than that, however
he is saying even if you controlled for things like differences in reporting or enforcement, the west is worse.
basically, he is suggesting that if America and Japan had the exact same laws and enforcement policies regarding guns, Japan would still have a lower gun crime rate. This is why I wanted the source of his claim, because I can't begin to fathom how you would come up with such a statistic.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Probably all the modern ones, I'd think.
Are you using Western in a purely geographic sense?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's a good question: do you lump "Russia" in with "Western Societies"?
Yes. I'd put Japan, Australia, and South Africa as essentially western due to cultural and political exports.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Are you using Western in a purely geographic sense?
I don't know, anymore, really. I thought I meant geographically.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes. I'd put Japan, Australia, and South Africa as essentially western due to cultural and political exports.
A sociologist would probably agree with you.
Future anthropologists will probably agree with you, too.
Originally posted by Oliver North
it depends on what you take "western" to meangeographically, no, they aren't really
ethnically, sure, I don't see why not
ideologically, they are moving away from it
Thanks for this explanation. I do have a question: on that last one, do you have the time to expand on that with some detail?
I have a vague idea of what you're talking about, there, but I don't really know what you mean. I don't think anyone would care that it is off-topic.