Darth Malak runs the gauntlet!

Revan the buttpirate, Malak the cripple. Lol.

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I always theorized that Revan gained his LS abilities when he trained on Dantooine then went to Tatooine, Kashyyk, and Manaan, defeated Darth Bandon on that world. Then Revan got his ass kicked on the Leviathan. At which point Bastilla blatantly states that Malak could solo the Ebon Hawk crew.

However I believe that Revan gained his duel mastery of the light and dark sides on Korriban. Studying in the Sith Academy, and ultimately triumphing over the Dark Side, but gaining a unique mastery of the force. With this unique mastery Revan was now at peak power and pwned Uthar Wynn, as well as the Sith Master on the Lehon temple, then Malak himself.

true, but im prty sure he did not master the dark side during his short time on korriban, lol. He mastered the dark when he was darth revan, so when he regained his memories, he knew both sides f the spectrum very well

I was under the impression that Malak attacked his former Sith Master from a safe distance because he was afraid to face him in combat... In my opinion, Malak was never above Revan.

Mizukage, I'm curious. Why do you believe Malak would be able to defeat Jinn, Revan and Ventress?

time to quote it again

"I betrayed you when i realized my strength was greater than yours."

- darth malak

plus he beat light revan on the leviathan

So he says. It's not necessarily truth. And he didn't canonically beat him, it was necessary to escape the Leviathan and continue the mission. Plus, KOTOR Revan wasn't as powerful as his Sith version. He was still recovering his memories and his lost power.

how can you say that kotor revan < featless darth revan? maybe when he was on the leviathan, but when he fought malak on the star forge, he was stronger than when he was darth revan

and yes, he did canonically beat him in a cutscene. he had revan in stasis, and prolly woulda chopped him in half or somethin. plus at that point bastila states that malak could, at that time, not only beat revan, but the ENTIRE EBON HAWK CREW

Edit: plus malak had no reason to lie, he even starts stating things like "you are more powerful now than you ever were as the dark lord

Yes, but that was later in the game. As the game progresses, he becomes more and more powerful. What you just said supports this notion further: according to you, Malak defeats him at the Leviathan, but at the end of the game in a DS nexus (the Star Forge) Revan defeats him... It's only logical, don't you think?

yes, but what im trying to say is: there is no evidence that suggests that darth revan > darth malak

Edit: and there's even evidence against such thoughts; darth malak's quote being one of them, other in-game dialogue, and that malak betrayed revan like 3-4 years before his death, so he definitely got stronger from then

Up to that point (Leviathan) Revan has nothing we can base his strength on, so Malak beating him isn't quantifiable. The only solo thing he's done is beat Juhani, everything else was with his party.

@XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

The fact that he was the Sith Master and Malak was the apprentice isn't enough?

It's actually the opposite. The burden of proof is on you; there is no evidence that suggests Darth Malak > Darth Revan.

you talk about how he did things with some members of his crew, but bastila states that malak could solo THE ENTIRE CREW and revan included

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Edit: and there's even evidence against such thoughts; darth malak's quote being one of them, other in-game dialogue, and that malak betrayed revan like 3-4 years before his death, so he definitely got stronger from then

So what? Bastila, a Padawan, is suddenly a great judge of this?

Oh and Neph, you actually take on Malak solo while on the Leviathan.

I know, but we still have little showing how good Solo Revan is.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
you talk about how he did things with some members of his crew, but bastila states that malak could solo THE ENTIRE CREW and revan included

Even then the only thing they've done is beat Calo Nord and Darth Bandon. Everything else we don't know since you can do the planets in any order.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Edit: and there's even evidence against such thoughts; darth malak's quote being one of them, other in-game dialogue, and that malak betrayed revan like 3-4 years before his death, so he definitely got stronger from then

Darth Malak's thoughts are not proof. Anakin thought he would beat the shit out of Kenobi on Mustafar, and he didn't. Thinking he is more powerful isn't nearly enough.

What other in-game dialogue? From Bastila? Doesn't work as proof, either.

And what makes you think Revan didn't get stronger, as well?

first of all, malak has no reason to lie about himself being stronger than revan was as the dark lord. the exact dialogue goes something like this:

"You would be an even greater asset than bastila and her battle meditation, if i could control you. But is is worth the risk? I betrayed you when i learned my strength was greater than yours. How can I be sure you won't do the same?"

-malak

i know that revan became more powerful, of course he did. we're comparing DARTH revan to darth malak

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
first of all, malak has no reason to lie about himself being stronger than revan was as the dark lord. the eact dialogue goes something like this:

"You would be an even greater asset than bastila and her battle meditation, if i could control you. But is is worth the risk? I betrayed you when i learned my strength was greater than yours. How can I be sure you won't do the same?"

-malak

Yes, he has. Being egomaniac, overconfident, self-centered, and cryptic as most Sith Lords in history have been... Thinking he is more powerful really doesn't work. Dooku thought he was more powerful than Anakin. Sidious thought he was more powerful than Yoda. The list is long...

And that quote is actually from the end, when they fight in the Star Forge... You know, when Revan beats him.

EDIT - That's my point... That in-game dialogue refers to the Revan in KOTOR, not to Darth Revan.