Top 10 Jedi

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
i wanted to see what the internet world thinks of krayt, and most say he would be stomped by the likes of dooku.

What do you mean 'the internet'? Different boards have different opinions.

I've been on some where Krayt's quite highly respected. Some places tend to focus on the novels and the flowery quotes and put Bane way up there, others on the video games and their flash and Galen's a king.

This board for awhile didn't give Legacy much stock (not always thinking it weak, but often forgetting about it), but opinions have shifted more recently as knowledge of it grew.

A lot of people maybe knew some of the first issues. Start out, you've got him sick from the armor and some Holocrons talking smack... before we saw him and his do crazy stuff like rise from the dead, make himself felt across the galaxy, his minion curbstomp one of the ancient Sith, or One Sith out to be a key player in the Fate of the Jedi books, fighting Abeloth alongside Luke and appearing in Jacen's visions. Nor would many people be familiar with the large amount of lightsaber duels everyone in the legacy comics engaged in or Cade's force feats.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
IMO, HoT should be above Yoda.

I know that Yoda have some old canonical sources vouching for his strength but even Luke doesn't have that level of hype going for him and still people like to rank him above Yoda.

Yoda, for all his strength, is not an exceptional fighter.

And it isn't necessary that he is better then every Jedi prior to him. I recall Master fae as being more then a match for Yoda in strength factor.

Originally posted by Stigma
lol

lol

LOL!!!

Or did you forget that some might be more well-informed about this subject then you?

Originally posted by Stigma
“strength factor”… as in arm-wrestling?

In a platform where Force abilities of the Jedi are tested, Fae performed better then (700 years old) Yoda.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And this reaction somehow lends credibility to your response?

All I did is laugh at your arbitrary claims that by some miracle Yoda is “not an exceptional fighter” and that somehow “old canon sources” do not count because…. you don’t like them.

This is lol-worthy and was treated as such.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In a platform where Force abilities of the Jedi are tested, Fae performed better then (700 years old) Yoda.

Legend.......

Just no. 😬

^ Exactly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
IMO, HoT should be above Yoda.

I know that Yoda have some old canonical sources vouching for his strength but even Luke doesn't have that level of hype going for him and still people like to rank him above Yoda.

😉 Luke has more potential than Palpatine. He has plenty of accolades, from both in-universe and OOU perspectives, vouching for him. Much like Yoda, who has canon on his side; more accurately, data from the movie novelizations. So the burden of proof is on you to disprove it, and you've failed tremendously.

Yoda, for all his strength, is not an exceptional fighter.

Wait, what? I seem to recall Yoda's being the greatest lightsaber duelist of his era. I seem to recall Sidious trying to run from the grandmaster, after taking out three of the greatest swordsmen the Order had ever produced in a matter of seconds. I seem to recall Yoda disarming Ventress with little more than a gesture. In what universe is Yoda "not an exceptional fighter"? Perhaps it's his 8 centuries of combat experience? Perhaps it's Dooku's terrifying consideration of a dark side Yoda that would "annihilate" even Palpatine? Perhaps it's that said Dooku, one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's 25,000 year long history, "and an even greater sith lord", ran from Yoda, despite being on a dark side nexus and having a multitude of advantages over his old master?

I recall Master fae as being more then a match for Yoda in strength factor.

She could lift six stones with intense meditation. Yoda could lift five normally after 700 years (and presumably six without meditation beforehand). This doesn't really establish her superiority, since she needed to meditate to pull of her feat. Perhaps Yoda simply never tried prepping for it.

Mind you, the whole muntuur stones is highly inconsistent with demonstrated canon evidence of Yoda lifting the equivalent of far more than five stones. 😉

It shall be noted that when Yoda ventured in to Dromund Kaas, his ability to use the Force in that world greatly diminished. In contrast, HoT have unparalleled performance in the same world, hinting on his possible superiority in ways of the Force.

You aren't properly considering your word choice. "greatly diminished" denotes a change in performance that is hardly exclusive from "unparalleled".

Originally posted by Stigma
lol and you think it is I who has to lend credibility to my position? 🤣

Its not like as if I am unaware of Yoda being a very powerful and skilled Jedi and the hype that he have received; I am not new to Star Wars. Therefore, If I questioned Yoda's ranking then their must be a reason behind it.

Continue to read below;

Originally posted by Stigma
All I did is laugh at your arbitrary claims that by some miracle Yoda is “not an exceptional fighter” and that somehow “old canon sources” do not count because…. you don’t like them.

This is lol-worthy and was treated as such.

1. Yoda fought Dooku two times and failed to subdue him in both cases; problem is Yoda's passivity or tactical ineptness. In contrast, Dooku took advantage of Yoda's passivity or tactical ineptness and made the best out of his circumstances in both cases.

2. When Yoda confronted Sidious, the former's passivity got him almost killed early on. Lucky for Yoda, Sidious wasted the opportunity to kill him while he was unconscious (Sidious's cockiness at its finest).

In contrast, look at Mace! Now this is a Jedi who knows how to make the best of his abilities and is very effective in combat situations accordingly.

For "power" part;

I respect canon disclosures but I also keep an eye on the latest developments in the canon. If Yoda's accolades are to be considered then he should rank above all Jedi (Luke included). However, if liberties are being taken to rank Luke above Yoda then HoT have a lot going for him too.

Originally posted by Stigma
Where do you get this from? Sounds like a fandom to me...

Thank you

Originally posted by Master Han
😉 Luke has more potential than Palpatine. He has plenty of accolades, from both in-universe and OOU perspectives, vouching for him. Much like Yoda, who has canon on his side; more accurately, data from the movie novelizations. So the burden of proof is on you to disprove it, and you've failed tremendously.

- ROTS Novelization
- SWTCE

Luke haven't earned such recognition in any canon source thus far. Their might be logical explanation to rank Luke higher then Yoda but HoT also have a reasonable case.

So either follow the accolade logic or stick to informed decision. Problem is that fans are seldom fair.

Originally posted by Master Han
Wait, what? I seem to recall Yoda's being the greatest lightsaber duelist of his era. I seem to recall Sidious trying to run from the grandmaster, after taking out three of the greatest swordsmen the Order had ever produced in a matter of seconds. I seem to recall Yoda disarming Ventress with little more than a gesture. In what universe is Yoda "not an exceptional fighter"? Perhaps it's his 8 centuries of combat experience? Perhaps it's Dooku's terrifying consideration of a dark side Yoda that would "annihilate" even Palpatine? Perhaps it's that said Dooku, one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's 25,000 year long history, "and an even greater sith lord", ran from Yoda, despite being on a dark side nexus and having a multitude of advantages over his old master?

Originally posted by Master Han
She could lift six stones with intense meditation. Yoda could lift five normally after 700 years (and presumably six without meditation beforehand). This doesn't really establish her superiority, since she needed to meditate to pull of her feat. Perhaps Yoda simply never tried prepping for it.

Originally posted by Master Han
Mind you, the whole muntuur stones is highly inconsistent with demonstrated canon evidence of Yoda lifting the equivalent of far more than five stones. 😉

Sometimes the feats are not what they seem to be; Force-users can determine fault-lines in some inanimate objects and exploit them.

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What if Yoda steered those two transport aircrafts in to each other by manipulating their controls?

Keep in mind that these transport aircrafts were;

1. Positioned close to each other up in the air on the basis of their own lift capabilities.

2. Not in motion but active.

Also, the source (involving this feat) itself is inconsistent with depiction of powers of characters in other mediums.

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Yoda's feat of lifting the X-Wing aircraft is comparable to the nature of the feat involving Mutuur stones but he performed the former feat with lot of effort and concentration; the weight of X-Wing is not known though.

Originally posted by Master Han
You aren't properly considering your word choice. "greatly diminished" denotes a change in performance that is hardly exclusive from "unparalleled".

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is your responsibility to offer a rebuttal at least. Lame laughs are not going to help your position.

Not only does he offer a rebuttal in the very same post, but it's difficult to make such a request, with your habit of dismissing all contrary evidence as "outdated" or, worse yet, "plot device".

Its not like as if I am unaware of Yoda being a very powerful and skilled Jedi and the hype that he have received; I am not new to Star Wars. Therefore, If I questioned Yoda's ranking then their must be a reason behind it.

Canon statements aren't sufficient reason for you?

1. Yoda fought Dooku two times and failed to subdue him in both cases; problem is Yoda's passivity or tactical ineptness. In contrast, Dooku took advantage of Yoda's passivity or tactical ineptness and made the best out of his circumstances in both cases.

Yoda makes it clear that he's conflicted over his former padawan and doesn't fully want to kill him. This has nothing to do with his combative ability. He's a Jedi, not a Sith, lol.

2. When Yoda confronted Sidious, the former's passivity got him almost killed early on. Lucky for Yoda, Sidious wasted the opportunity to kill him while he was unconscious (Sidious's cockiness at its finest).

This has nothing to do with his power/combative ability...

In contrast, look at Mace! Now this is a Jedi who knows how to make the best of his abilities and is very effective in combat situations accordingly.

And we all know that Vitiate's combat performances reflect brilliant tactical intelligence, right? Would you hold that mark against him in "top sith"?

I respect canon disclosures but I also keep an eye on the latest developments in the canon. If Yoda's accolades are to be considered then he should rank above all Jedi (Luke included). However, if liberties are being taken to rank Luke above Yoda then HoT have a lot going for him too.

LOL...no? Yoda is the most powerful light sider up until his time. He's more powerful than the Hero. He's more powerful than Revan. He's more powerful than Nomi Sunrider. He's more powerful than Satele Shan. Why is this so difficult for you to accept?

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Yoda have earned "strongest" accolades in following two sources:-

- ROTS Novelization
- SWTCE

Yes. Ergo, he is the strongest.

Luke haven't earned such recognition in any canon source thus far. Their might be logical explanation to rank Luke higher then Yoda but HoT also have a reasonable case.

So either follow the accolade logic or stick to informed decision. Problem is that fans are seldom fair.

1. Luke lives after Yoda's time.
2. Luke has been confirmed to have greater potential than Palpatine.

Maybe six of them really upped the game in comparison to five? Maybe the test is more complicated in nature then we know? Yoda didn't demonstrate the capability to lift more as far as I recall. By the way, Ferleen have held the record for lifting all seven like a PRO.

Depends upon the weight of the objects in question.

Sometimes the feats are not what they seem to be; Force-users can determine fault-lines in some inanimate objects and exploit them.

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What if Yoda steered those two transport aircrafts in to each other by manipulating their controls?

Keep in mind that these transport aircrafts were;

1. Positioned close to each other up in the air on the basis of their own lift capabilities.

2. Not in motion but active.

Also, the source (involving this feat) itself is inconsistent with depiction of powers of characters in other mediums.

Speculation, speculation, speculation. How does any of this establish that the Hero is more powerful than Yoda? You're facing an uphill battle in which you must produce a sufficient quantity of evidence to override authorial fiat.

Yoda's feat of lifting the X-Wing aircraft is comparable to the nature of the feat involving Mutuur stones but he performed the former feat with lot of effort and concentration; the weight of X-Wing is not known though.

Yoda did not have many years left in him by ESB.

Yoda's performance or effectiveness reduced on Dromund Kaas. Yoda decided not to explore this planet much due to this reason.

ROFLAMO - your utter inability to understand basic diction is comedic gold. Read this sentence again:

You aren't properly considering your word choice. "greatly diminished" denotes a change in performance that is hardly exclusive from "unparalleled".

Your reply has no relevance to it whatsoever. You simply restate the very point I had already addressed and demonstrated to be invalid.

and Legend claims he's not biased to the tor era 🙄

Hard to make a top ten Jedi list but here I go.

1. Yoda
2. Anakin Skywalker
3. Luke
4. Hero of Tython
5. Obi Wan
6. Qui Gon Jinn
7. Mace Windu
8. Vodo Siosk Baas
9. Exile
10. Revan

EDIT: Notables: Satele Shan, Guy who trained yoda, Nomi Sunrider, Dooku, Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I know that Yoda have some old canonical sources vouching for his strength but even Luke doesn't have that level of hype going for him and still people like to rank him above Yoda.

Translation: If a source is hyping a character not from the TOR era it's not acceptable.

Originally posted by Based
Translation: If a source is hyping a character not from the TOR era it's not acceptable.

😛

Originally posted by Allankles
Hard to make a top ten Jedi list but here I go.

1. Yoda
2. Anakin Skywalker
3. Luke
4. Hero of Tython
5. Obi Wan
6. Qui Gon Jinn
7. Mace Windu
8. Vodo Siosk Baas
9. Exile
10. Revan

EDIT: Notables: Satele Shan, Guy who trained yoda, Nomi Sunrider, Dooku, Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr

Is Cade particularly powerful?

Or are you referring to accomplishments?

accomplishments, but do you think kenobi is above him in terms of combat power?

Effortlessly lifts the X-Wing

Then Yoda turned and looked at the swamp, and as he did the water began to swirl. Slowly, from the gently bubbling waters, the nose of the fighter appeared again. Luke gasped in astonishment as the X-wing gracefully rose from its watery tomb and moved majestically toward the shore. He silently vowed never to use the word 'impossible' again. For there, standing on his tree root pedestal, was tiny Yoda, effortlessly gliding the ship from the water onto the shore. It was a sight that Luke could scarcely believe. But he knew that it was a potent example of Jedi mastery over the Force. Artoo, equally astounded but not so philosophical, issued a series of loud whistles, then bolted off to hide behind some giant roots. The X-wing seemed to float onto the beach, and then gently came to a stop. Luke was humbled by the feat he had witnessed and approached Yoda in awe. 'I...' he began, dazzled. 'I don't believe it.' 'That,' Yoda stated emphatically, 'is why you fail.' Bewildered, Luke shook his head, wondering if he would ever rise to the station of a Jedi.

Originally posted by Master Han
Not only does he offer a rebuttal in the very same post, but it's difficult to make such a request, with your habit of dismissing all contrary evidence as "outdated" or, worse yet, "plot device".

Canon statements aren't sufficient reason for you?

1. People have different perceptions about the same thing.
2. Their is no official consensus on these matters.
3. Fans are left to their own judgment.
4. If their was an official list, we wouldn't be having these discussions.
5. Star Wars is a continuously expanding lore and new information can retcon or put some parts of old information in question.

Originally posted by Master Han
Yoda makes it clear that he's conflicted over his former padawan and doesn't fully want to kill him. This has nothing to do with his combative ability. He's a Jedi, not a Sith, lol.

Originally posted by Master Han
This has nothing to do with his power/combative ability...

Analogy: If Yoda had gone all-out over Dooku with his Force abilities on Geonosis, their was a good chance for him to overcome the Sith Lord. Point is about maintaining the pressure.

Originally posted by Master Han
And we all know that Vitiate's combat performances reflect brilliant tactical intelligence, right? Would you hold that mark against him in "top sith"?

Originally posted by Master Han
LOL...no? Yoda is the most powerful light sider up until his time. He's more powerful than the Hero. He's more powerful than Revan. He's more powerful than Nomi Sunrider. He's more powerful than Satele Shan. Why is this so difficult for you to accept?

SWTCE promotes Yoda as the "most powerful practitioner of the light." It doesn't confirms Luke to be stronger then Yoda so timeline based argument is moot. In addition, accolades earned by characters in SWTCE are valid for the information contained in it. Star Wars lore have significantly expanded since and this requires Yoda's relative position to be re-evaluated.

Originally posted by Master Han
Yes. Ergo, he is the strongest.

1. Luke lives after Yoda's time.
2. Luke has been confirmed to have greater potential than Palpatine.

Originally posted by Master Han
Speculation, speculation, speculation. How does any of this establish that the Hero is more powerful than Yoda? You're facing an uphill battle in which you must produce a sufficient quantity of evidence to override authorial fiat.

Originally posted by Master Han
Yoda did not have many years left in him by ESB.

Originally posted by Master Han
ROFLAMO - your utter inability to understand basic diction is comedic gold. Read this sentence again:

Your reply has no relevance to it whatsoever. You simply restate the very point I had already addressed and demonstrated to be invalid.

HoT, Revan and Meetra managed to overcome the influence of environment of Dromund Kaas with their Force Mastery aspects. Yoda, Luke, Katarn, Ben and several more did not demonstrate this ability. This reveals that the latter Jedi may have failed in the paths that HoT, Revan and Meetra and they don't deserve as much hype as they have received.

Originally posted by Based
Translation: If a source is hyping a character not from the TOR era it's not acceptable.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

In contrast, look at Mace! Now this is a Jedi who knows how to make the best of his abilities and is very effective in combat situations accordingly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

HINT: Passivity = reduced effectiveness

Power is not an issue; decision-making and resultant course of action is.

[B]Analogy: If Yoda had gone all-out over Dooku with his Force abilities on Geonosis, their was a good chance for him to overcome the Sith Lord. Point is about maintaining the pressure.

Vitiate is not passive and tactically inept.

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You do realize that Sidious probably could have overpowered Mace in the same way if not for his back up right?

Yoda with those 3 Council Members would have destroyed Sidious.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You do realize that Sidious probably could have overpowered Mace in the same way if not for his back up right?

Yoda with those 3 Council Members would have destroyed Sidious.

In-fact, Mace attempted to save Fisto but the latter still fell like fodder. Those 3 Jedi Masters would be non-factor to Sidious in any setting.

Also, some sources imply that Mace legitimately overcame Sidious. Yoda also had his chance and lost.