Darth Bane vs Obi-Wan Kenobi

"His blast-deflection skills were further developed to the point where Kenobi could literally walk unscathed through hornet-swarms of blasterfire, single-handedly deflecting blasts from all directions simultaneously"

^Not to mention he's stalemated Maul, and pwned ROTS GG.

Thats from Wookieepedia. 😐

that it is

Judging youuuuuuuuu..... sneer

wookiepedia is a serviceable source, it's rare that i come across extreme misinformation or blatant ignorance

Obi-Wan went toe-to-toe with a more powerful, more skilled, and better trained Sith Lord in the form of Darth Maul. By ROTS, Obi-Wan is the definite favorite.

Also, lol

Except that I have the scene in question in front of me and its clearly non-canon and contradictory to the movie.

Just like most of the book...... crackers

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Obi-Wan went toe-to-toe with a more powerful, more skilled, and better trained Sith Lord in the form of Darth Maul. By ROTS, Obi-Wan is the definite favorite.

Also, lol

That 'Nephthys' guy sounds like quite the handsome devil....

exactly

Bane has never gone up against a foe as powerful as maul on EVEN TERMS (except MAYBE zannah, whom he was slain by)

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
exactly

Bane has never gone up against a foe as powerful as maul on EVEN TERMS (except MAYBE zannah, whom he was slain by)

The only reason Bane might appear to be more powerful than someone of Maul's caliber is pure stylistic variance; an otherwise nebulous conclusion if not for the fact that we know conclusively Maul ranks among the best of all time, that Bane's order progressed with respect to power in the intervening generations, and that the entire guiding principle of the Rule of Two was contingent on each Sith surpassing his or her predecessor.

Just like I don't put that one chick who held a Venator class Star Destroyer aloft in the CWC miniseries above Yoda, I don't put Bane above Maul.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
, and that the entire guiding principle of the Rule of Two was contingent on each Sith surpassing his or her predecessor.

Except for, y'know, Maul. 😬

Nah, Maul had the potential to become an extremely potent sith (he may have even surpassed sidious, and if not, would be very close)

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except for, y'know, Maul. 😬

That Sidious is an exception does not mean Bane is. Nor does it mean that Maul was incapable of surpassing Sidious as time went on.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That Sidious is an exception does not mean Bane is. Nor does it mean that Maul was incapable of surpassing Sidious as time went on.

Nor does it mean that he isn't, or that he would. Maul is clearly not close to Sidious as of CW and considering how intense his training has been, I highly doubt he's only unlocked a portion of his potential.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nor does it mean that he isn't, or that he would. Maul is clearly not close to Sidious as of CW and considering how intense his training has been, I highly doubt he's only unlocked a portion of his potential.

And until such a time as Bane is identified as an exception, I see no reason to treat him as though he were. Just like, in a retarded fashion typical of SWTOR, I do not assume the non-Force sensitive Han Solo can use the Force or is in some respect Force-resistant in a fight just because Vitiate's non-Force sensitive Imperial Guard is and are.

Perhaps. But even after a considerable period of training, Palpatine's own powers swelled between Endor and Byss. So there again, I see no reason to believe that Maul was running out of midi-juice or that, just because he's not close to Palpatine doesn't mean he's not close to Bane.

Palpatine is more powerful than Bane.

far, far more powerful than bane

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And until such a time as Bane is identified as an exception, I see no reason to treat him as though he were. Just like, in a retarded fashion typical of SWTOR, I do not assume the non-Force sensitive Han Solo can use the Force or is in some respect Force-resistant in a fight just because Vitiate's non-Force sensitive Imperial Guard is and are.

Perhaps. But even after a considerable period of training, Palpatine's own powers swelled between Endor and Byss. So there again, I see no reason to believe that Maul was running out of midi-juice or that, just because he's not close to Palpatine doesn't mean he's not close to Bane.

Palpatine is more powerful than Bane.

Except that Bane himself is not the exception, Maul is. You can argue that the rest of them surpassed him all you want, but since Maul is specifically not part of the chain of Apprentice>Master then he is completely exempt from the quote in all circumstances. Do you think he's above Plagueis as well just because Plagueis is not mentioned as an exception?

And again, it doesn't mean that he is close to Bane. In this case the only way we can compare the two is based on their showings, in which Bane is far and away the superior.

No u.

How is Maul not part of the Master-apprentice chain? And no, I wouldn't put him above Plagueis at this point because I wouldn't put Palpatine above Plagueis at that point.

Do I think he could have surpassed Plagueis? It's not outside the realm of possibility.

If we restrict ourselves to simple feat wars, then Starkiller outright dominates Bane. Would you accept that? No, of course not, you'd fight to the bitter end and suggest we not confine ourselves to feat wars.

If we go by feats, then I'd favor one way. But I think going by naked feats alone is really kinda silly, no matter who it is.

Well, Plagueis was likely even superior to Sidious when he was killed, and Maul isn't that far down the chain from Plagueis as he is with Bane, though.

I said point twice, whoops.