DCNU Martian Manhunter VS Hulk NOW

Started by Enzeru11 pages
Originally posted by Stoic
It's funny how you bring up sucker punching when the Sentry is the one launching sneak attacks.

Wouldn't you, when you tell someone to stay down and they suckerpunch you? I think that fair play is out of the window at that point.

Originally posted by Stoic
What would have happened if Adam had the mindset of Ultraman? He could have flown after Bob, and continued his assault on his KO'd body. Is this a correct assessment?

It's not a correct assessment, because there is a high chance that a fighter regains his consciousness after getting punched in the face again. It happens in MMA quite often.

Even if it didn't happen, it was established that the Sentry has a higher durability than Blue Marvel, because he was still standing even after taking the same damage, while speedblitzing him into the ground. You being knocked out doesn't last forever. It's gone after few seconds.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's also weird how Adam hits him, and he KO's Bob, while Bob dive bombed him from a great distance, and was incapable of KOing Adam.

It's not weird and shows me that you don't understand how the body reacts to receiving particular damage. Here, read this:

"The term KO is often associated with a sudden traumatic loss of consciousness caused by a physical blow. Single powerful blows to the head (particularly the jawline and temple) can produce a cerebral concussion or a carotid sinus reflex with syncope and cause a sudden, dramatic KO. Body blows, particularly the liver punch, can cause progressive, debilitating pain that can also result in a KO."

It's not that big of a deal, when someone gets KOed in a fight, because it simply can happen. It can happen to anyone, even people with a granit chin like the MMA fighter Roy Nelson. Anderson Silva has a great chin as well, but he got knocked out twice in his fights against Chris Weidman (in their second fight he got knocked out in the first round, but he regained his consciousness after the follow up strikes and recovered quickly - which is also what I was talking about).

It's much more devastating, when someone collapses, after taking too much damage and that's what happened in the Blue Marvel VS Sentry fight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Adam was holding back the entire time and trying to convince the Avengers while they were on the attack. You have a very skewed perspective on things. Again, if Adam was out for blood, he would have killed Bob if he flew up after him, and beat the mess out of while he was Ko'd.

Yeah, nope. That's simply not how it works. I explained everything.

If you disagree with any of this, then I'm fine with that. You have my permission to have your own opinion on the topic. I'm not in the mood to discuss obvious stuff, which someone refuses to understand / accept.

@Enzeru
It was the Sentry that dive bombed Adam, don't be crazy. If you hit someone that is unaware you do double the damage on that person, because they were not braced for the hit. Go out and try it if you have trouble with the concept. Harry Houdini died because of this (look it up).

Adam could have followed Bob as quickly as he flew from the punch that KO'd him if he was blood lusted, and continued his assault on his KO'd body. Don't see why, or what would have been stopping him from doing this?

Adam showed the superior durability. Bob was KO'd from one heavy hit, while Bob was surprised by the hit. Adam was not KO'd by the dive bomb that surprised him, but was still standing, even though he was ready to pass out.

If Adam and that team of Avengers were out to put Bob down, they would have done so far easier than they did with Bob fighting alongside the Avengers. On panel evidence and all considered. Anti Man completely over powered Bob. Adam was able to put him down. Anyways, it appears that we are off subject once again. I just don't agree with your perspective on the events that took place, and Adam looked far better in that fight than Bob did.

Martian manhunter curbstomps

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But he wasn't though. He was halfway at best. Trying to paint Savage Hulk as abstract strength to up Wb Hulk down the line isn't going to work when IB at full power barely scratches the surface of "abstract level".

So, what do you think is the minimum for "Abstract Level?"

Originally posted by Delta1938
So, what do you think is the minimum for "Abstract Level?"

I would say that the Stranger, or Tyrant is/was on the edge of being Abstract. The Inbetweener is most certainly an Abstract being. Either way the feat was huge for the Hulk.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The HOLLOW ship?

I generally believe MM wins, i just wanted to nip that feat in the bud before the real zealous Superman fans start wanking it out.

Nothing personal.


Heh, where was it said that ship was hollow?

Originally posted by Stoic
I would say that the Stranger, or Tyrant is/was on the edge of being Abstract. The Inbetweener is most certainly an Abstract being. Either way the feat was huge for the Hulk.

Doesn't exactly answer my question. And it's not about Hulk's feat(although yeah, impressive) I was more wondering what, well, this question really goes to people in general.

What stuff would one have to do to meet the minimum threshold for "Abstract?"

Originally posted by Delta1938
Doesn't exactly answer my question. And it's not about Hulk's feat(although yeah, impressive) I was more wondering what, well, this question really goes to people in general.

What stuff would one have to do to meet the minimum threshold for "Abstract?"

Be representative of the essence of a concept.

The Champion with the gem isn't just powerful, he IS power personified.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So, what do you think is the minimum for "Abstract Level?"
Apparently full IB level.

Even though full IB level is hungry Galactus level so it muddies the waters. In any case mostly going by forum power levels with IB. But he has crazy feats and the title so...

Didn't Chaos and Order bring Big G up to full strength before his fight with In Betweener?