Originally posted by namorsubby
Her speed and body reading abilities make her a match for either in a pure h2h contest. She's damn near uber sometimes as nothing more than a human martial artist.
She can't move as fast as them, she has inferior durability and strength and they can read body language as well. Cap can beat someone like taskmaster because of his super human fighting prowess and BP has dominated Karnak twice, but I don't that means anything to you based on the way you are carrying on.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Itll be hard to show me something that I haven't already seen, but for the sake of debate we could compare feats if you'd like...
That was just done with Batman about a week and a half ago, but for argument sake, let's see Batman bend a palm tree down to the ground, hold it with one hand while loading the tree top with a boulder with his other hand to create a catapult to strike down a T-Rex. Batman and Shiva don't have any powers, end of story.
Both Shiva and Bruce have been stated as the best fighters on DC earth....either flat out or with words like "arguably" or "possibly" in front. They have been outmatched in terms of physical stats and power set many times, but here the gap isn't even as large as it had been suggested at least in reference to Bruce, but Shiva as well given her speed feats.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Absolutely false. And when you're only arguing with the same two or three posters with the same stance that's not saying much anyway.Its as easy as pie for a poster to look at a scan and say this is "noticeably less impressive" as opposed to "slightly less impressive" to suit their own argument. That's why posting feats is a waste of time with you guys. Those lunatics apply their own self determined calculations to scans that put caps strength in the 5-10 ton range. They're fanatics.
Originally posted by pym-ftwFalse. Its humorously pathetic that these same guys resort to twisting my words rather than using methods such as debate and/or feat comparison
Literally the Cap vs Bat Thread deteriorated because you kept saying every feat above Batman level was pis.
What happens is some cap enthusiast will bring up a feat, and willingly misinterpret or determine its contents in such a way that it puts it completely out of caps power level. Like them saying he out ran a freaking bullet or them "estimating" that a certain object he lifted is this many tons based on their "calculations". Pure bs.
Originally posted by namorsubby
False. Its humorously pathetic that these same guys resort to twisting my words rather than using methods such as debate and/or feat comparisonWhat happens is some cap enthusiast will bring up a feat, and willingly misinterpret or determine its contents in such a way that it puts it completely out of caps power level. Like them saying he out ran a freaking bullet or them "estimating" that a certain object he lifted is this many tons based on their "calculations". Pure bs.
So what I said was exactly correct. Silentmaster was off a bit there was another poster on your side, H1...
I didn't say they were equal, nor did I say that Bruce "should" be metahuman. I'm saying that according to feats they're comparble, with cap edging him in physical feats by way of his higher end feats. Do I think Bruce COULD beat cap in pure h2h, yes. The same could be said in reverse, and I wouldn't disagree.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I didn't say they were equal, nor did I say that Bruce "should" be metahuman. I'm saying that according to feats they're comparble, with cap edging him in physical feats by way of his higher end feats. Do I think Bruce COULD beat cap in pure h2h, yes. The same could be said in reverse, and I wouldn't disagree.
You've GOT to be kidding me. That's what this debate has come down to? Let me easy your mind- Batman is not superhuman. He is a smart detective who's bladder filled up with PIS over time. By contrast, Cap is and was always a superhuman combat machine in mind, body and spirit. There is no shame is Batman losing to Cap every single time. He just better at everything to do with combat.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Both Shiva and Bruce have been stated as the best fighters on DC earth....either flat out or with words like "arguably" or "possibly" in front. They have been outmatched in terms of physical stats and power set many times, but here the gap isn't even as large as it had been suggested at least in reference to Bruce, but Shiva as well given her speed feats.
So what? That applies to their weight class only. I still don't get why you keep talking abou strength and speed feats when Cap has BETTER ones! When I say, that, you go back to the nonsensical and opinion-based argument that Batman is more "skilled", whatever the hell you mean by that. Comics do not support Batman being more skilled than Captain America.