The Godkiller Vs Galactus Engine

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Not sure why you want to dismiss one part of 451's hyperbole(that the GK decimated the Celestials), while accept the latter(that they numbered as many as the stars).

If I'm not mistaken, there have been a few statements suggesting that there are millions (obviously I don't think they need to be "as many as the stars"😉 of Celestials in the Marvel omniverse.

I think it's pretty straight-forward, 451 is no more capable of finding a weapon to ward off The Celestials than the Earth's assorted skyfathers were. What he found was nothing more than another Destroyer style weapon. Something that - pretty obviously - wasn't up to the job.

It helps that his great big plan was to engineer (pun intended) Stark into becoming the means of Earth's military-technological uplift, while Doom casually went about owning the entire universe or Reed actually used the UN on the universe ...

GK is nothing more than a cosmic level "Hulkbuster"/"Thorbuster", imo.

Sooo...was the Godkiller (which is armor?) able to do what the Asgardian Destroyer -- Odin's finest weapon -- could not? And who built the Godkiller? Stark? (I'm trying to piece this all together from sites on the net).

So, Stark was so "genetically prepared" he was able to outbuild Odin, who's using a science so advanced it seems like magic?

Originally posted by Mindship
Sooo...was the Godkiller (which is armor?) able to do what the Asgardian Destroyer -- Odin's finest weapon -- could not? And who built the Godkiller? Stark? (I'm trying to piece this all together from sites on the net).

So, Stark was so "genetically prepared" he was able to outbuild Odin, who's using a science so advanced it seems like magic?

They built the GK to win their war against The Celestials, it got slagged (and they died).

451 is simply a cheap, homebrew Watcher, who decided to "help Earth", by advancing its tech to ward off The Celestials. His means was to genetically engineer Stark to be a tech-genius and have a compatibility with the GK (though we've seen no evidence of it).

I've seen nothing of it to indicate it could even give one Celestial pause for thought.

And 451 has been shown to be duplicitous, deceiving and incompetent (getting caught by imbecilic Grey aliens), so his hyperbole isn't even decent hype.

Originally posted by janus77
I'm not accepting the hyperbole at all, that's basically what I meant.

If I'm not mistaken, there have been a few statements suggesting that there are millions (obviously I don't think they need to be "as many as the stars"😉 of Celestials in the Marvel omniverse.

I think it's pretty straight-forward, 451 is no more capable of finding a weapon to ward off The Celestials than the Earth's assorted skyfathers were. What he found was nothing more than another Destroyer style weapon. Something that - pretty obviously - wasn't up to the job.

It helps that his great big plan was to engineer (pun intended) Stark into becoming the means of Earth's military-technological uplift, while Doom casually went about owning the entire universe or Reed actually used the UN on the universe ...

GK is nothing more than a cosmic level "Hulkbuster"/"Thorbuster", imo.

Or have you not been following Remender's series this entire time?

Lol at "wasn't up for the job". You clearly have reading comprehension issues if you think a weapon that reduced their populace from a 20+ digit number to few dozens that we see now and again in modern day comics.

Doesn't matter what his plan was, because so far based on the storyline, it failed. Stark has proven to be incapable of piloting the armor.

Originally posted by janus77
No, GK was built by one of the races that came into existence during the early phase of the universe. Like the Proemial Gods, only much much much weaker.

They built the GK to win their war against The Celestials, it got slagged (and they died).

451 is simply a cheap, homebrew Watcher, who decided to "help Earth", by advancing its tech to ward off The Celestials. His means was to genetically engineer Stark to be a tech-genius and have a compatibility with the GK (though we've seen no evidence of it).

I've seen nothing of it to indicate it could even give one Celestial pause for thought.

And 451 has been shown to be duplicitous, deceiving and incompetent (getting caught by imbecilic Grey aliens), so his hyperbole isn't even decent hype.

Besides the fact that you misinterpreted 451's main agenda, you're pretty much wrong about everything in that post, barring 451's duplicitous nature.

I think it will be funny if the cover of the next Iron Man actually happens.

Originally posted by Mindship
Sooo...was the Godkiller (which is armor?) able to do what the Asgardian Destroyer -- Odin's finest weapon -- could not? And who built the Godkiller? Stark? (I'm trying to piece this all together from sites on the net).

So, Stark was so "genetically prepared" he was able to outbuild Odin, who's using a science so advanced it seems like magic?

The armor was the result of an arms race among an ancient alien race that was there during the beginning of time. Stark was allegedly genetically engineered by an interstellar android called 451 to be its pilot.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think it will be funny if the cover of the next Iron Man actually happens.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think it will be funny if the cover of the next Iron Man actually happens.

As to the thread, I'm going with the GE. Unkillable 4tw.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Lol at "wasn't up for the job". You clearly have reading comprehension issues if you think a weapon that reduced their populace from a 20+ digit number to few dozens that we see now and again in modern day comics.

Doesn't matter what his plan was, because so far based on the storyline, it failed. Stark has proven to be incapable of piloting the armor.

As for The Celestials numbering a "few dozen", as far as I'm aware, they've been depicted in such numbers for decades and yet it's always been stated that they actually number in the millions?

There's been no evidence of their numbers being depleted by the war with the Aspirants. They had a war with The Watchers too, and long after that (and logically, long after the Aspirants), they were said to number in the millions (billions?).

Originally posted by zopzop
Don't tease me, what's on the cover?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not sure if serious or just trolling. The armor was pretty much their trump card and was winning them the battle until civil war broke out among their ranks.

Besides the fact that you misinterpreted 451's main agenda, you're pretty much wrong about everything in that post, barring 451's duplicitous nature.

It just doesn't add up, imo. No on-panel evidence, one over hyped toy that was smashed to pieces eventually, 451's word that it was turning the tide (though again, no depiction of it in action against a single Celestial) ...

Originally posted by zopzop
Don't tease me, what's on the cover?

As to the thread, I'm going with the GE. Unkillable 4tw.

Fascinating

Originally posted by janus77
No, I'm serious, I don't think 451 was doing anything other than hyping up something he knows nothing about.

As for The Celestials numbering a "few dozen", as far as I'm aware, they've been depicted in such numbers for decades and yet it's always been stated that they actually number in the millions?

There's been no evidence of their numbers being depleted by the war with the Aspirants. They had a war with The Watchers too, and long after that (and logically, long after the Aspirants), they were said to number in the millions (billions?).

It's never been implied that they number that much except for the one time when the FF were passing a dimension that was overpopulated by them.

But still, even if they number in the millions, or lets go further and say billions, that's a HUGE drop from numbering the same as the stars. That's a reduction of more than a dozen orders of magnitude we're talking about.

Originally posted by janus77
The GK was hyped by 451 as being effective, but that's what I don't buy. There was no on-panel depiction of it doing anything, in those flash-backs. Just 451's hyperbolic statement that The Celestials used to be as many as the stars.

It just doesn't add up, imo. No on-panel evidence, one over hyped toy that was smashed to pieces eventually, 451's word that it was turning the tide (though again, no depiction of it in action against a single Celestial) ...

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Unless some previously unknown context(like the Celestials being mortal entities when the Godkiller was first developed) is revealed, or unless you have some implicit proof that he was lying in that scene, there is no way to go around this statement.

It's never been implied that they number that much except for the one time when the FF were passing a dimension that was overpopulated by them.

But still, even if they number in the millions, or lets go further and say billions, that's a HUGE drop from numbering the same as the stars. That's a reduction of more than a dozen orders of magnitude we're talking about.

Seriously though, has there been a drop in the number of Celestials in the omniverse?

I remember Beyonder kung-fuing a whole phallanx of them. I remember quite a few showing up to get mowed down by the Council of PIS...

Also, the GE killed quite a few too.

Oh and during the Fulcrum business, Tiamut was attacked by more than a dozen, I think...

Never read anything other than from 451, regarding a thinning out of The Celestials (regardless the scale).

Originally posted by janus77
That's [b]only true if you actually take the hyperbole of 451 literally. I don't think it was meant to be taken literally, nor do I believe the author meant for us to see 451 as an authoritative figure, given the many instances of his misjudgement of things and people.

Seriously though, has there been a drop in the number of Celestials in the omniverse?

I remember Beyonder kung-fuing a whole phallanx of them. I remember quite a few showing up to get mowed down by the Council of PIS...

Also, the GE killed quite a few too.

Oh and during the Fulcrum business, Tiamut was attacked by more than a dozen, I think...

Never read anything other than from 451, regarding a thinning out of The Celestials (regardless the scale). [/B]

Beyonder instance was retconned.

The GE only forced them to retreat.

Tiamut was only shown being attacked by 4 or 5 others.

Apart from the Council, there is also the instance of them being wiped off by Beyonder+IG powered Doom in a What If? That is supposing you take into account their multiversal nature as described in the Extermination storyline.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That dialogue was to showcase the Aspirants' warmongering ways. As I said before, unless there is an implication that 451 was lying or some yet-to-be revealed context behind the Godkiller's prehistoric battle with them, the statement stands.

Beyonder instance was retconned.

The GE only forced them to retreat.

Tiamut was only shown being attacked by 4 or 5 others.

Apart from the Council, there is also the instance of them being wiped off by Beyonder+IG powered Doom in a What If? That is supposing you take into account their multiversal nature as described in the Extermination storyline.

Nothing on-panel to show for his words, plus the evident deceptive nature of 451 and the known egotistical nature of Stark ... This is obviously hyperbole of no actual import, just a means to deliver a trojan horse onto Earth (imo, it's for some next Earth invasion scheme by some alien empire, maybe even the Aspirants).

Originally posted by janus77
There are several things that make me doubt 451 is meant to be taken at its word. 1) It has been wrong on most of the big things, so far. 2) It is trying to sell the GK (and Stark's big destiny) to Tony. It needs Stark to be awed by the scale of the GK, to temp Stark into accepting such a "responsibility". 3) It doesn't actually say the GK killed any Celestials, merely leaving Stark to infer it had done so, by suggesting that The Celestials have been drastically reduced in number.

Nothing on-panel to show for his words, plus the evident deceptive nature of 451 and the known egotistical nature of Stark ... This is obviously hyperbole of no actual import, just a means to deliver a trojan horse onto Earth (imo, it's for some next Earth invasion scheme by some alien empire, maybe even the Aspirants).

Bring me proof that he was incorrect or the Godkiller was "slagged/destroyed" in the original Aspirant/Celestial war.

Why would he want to deliver something that can obviously bust planets as a "Trojan Horse" to Earth? Nevermind the fact that he had to make it fold itself out of reality in order to hide it, as destroying it was apparently impossible, 451 is pretty convinced of the power that it wields, the only thing he's wrong about is that Tony is the one to harness/unlock/wield that power.

Afterall, Tony is certainly no Reed or Doom. 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
mindset doesn't like anyone anyway. your anger is redundant to him. 😐

as for the thread--based on what was stated about the gk, gotta say it would win handily.

Stop bashing, son.