Originally posted by Mindship
Given that palefaces were latecomers in human evolution, and that the white race, numbers-wise, has always been the minority, how did it come to dominate so much? Did whites somehow realize they were the smaller, later demographic, and so tried that much harder to be on top?I always wondered about this.
The power of Aryan blood cannot be denied.
Originally posted by Mindship
Given that palefaces were latecomers in human evolution, and that the white race, numbers-wise, has always been the minority, how did it come to dominate so much? Did whites somehow realize they were the smaller, later demographic, and so tried that much harder to be on top?I always wondered about this.
Right place at the right time?
Originally posted by Oliver North
/shrugyour answer sort of clarifies why this is more of a free market issue than anything. Like salads on McDonald's menus, people make a huge fuss because they want "healthy eating", then the product doesn't sell. In this case, I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about a men only gym, there would simply be too few clients to run one effectively. If the market really demanded a men only facility, there would be serious court challenges to any law preventing it. Like, nobody sues men's boarding homes for discrimination (sure, they have issues with funding), but the need for such facilities tends to justify discriminating against the other gender.
The question might be phrased as a "why is it ok to discriminate against the men who might want to use the gym", which can easily be answered by the access they have to other gym facilities and the lack of any reason that men might feel uncomfortable working out in front of women (like you said, real men love attention from women). I obviously don't agree with your position on what makes a man, but certainly, using your own argument, you have done nothing but show why there is no need to discriminate against women who want to use the gym in the same way there is a reason to discriminate against the men. Sure, you might disagree that women's desire to not be sexualized is not sufficient reason to discriminate, but at least there is some reason.
It seems like you are looking at this issue as: "why can't I discriminate against women for no reason? Why can't I restrict access to certain facilities just for the sake of it?" Which is preposterous. Women don't have the carte blanche right to restrict the access of men to places, there needs to be some justification. Being upset that women get to have gyms where they can work out without male eyes is little more than petty or spiteful. You said yourself, you don't even want a male only gym, you are just being immature about some abstract feeling of being wronged with no material consequence.
and no, your definition of "gender equality" would seem to suggest Tampax is discriminating against you for not making male tampons.
I would note that some men ...many many men find having women in the gym to be distracting and would prefer they workout elsewhere.
Have you heard of Oxygen Gym in Kuwait? World famous gym...top tier athletes come to visit from all over the world, Bader Bodai (gym owner) is a super nice guy, etc. etc. But no women in that gym (on the floor...the could be elsewhere but women cannot workout on the gym floor). 😐
Not only is there a market for it but gyms actually exist out there, like that.
I'm sure you've heard of Muslims, before. 😆 😆 😆
Also, most of the local gyms I go to have an very large majority male clientele. I would wager that the gym membership for women only is smaller than the gym membership of males in general (not male only). The issue is...males are generally more relaxed about a gym environment and women are not. Let's blame it on evolution and sexual asymmetry for the reason why. If I were a woman, 130lbs (almost 60kg), walking into a gym with a bunch of semi-angry muscular dudes, I'd probably be intimidated and possibly even scared to go off in a corner out of site.
So, all of that is my reason why it is okay to have a woman's only gym and not a men's only. However, men's only gyms exist and there are plenty of men out there that want a men's only gym.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, all of that is my reason why it is okay to have a woman's only gym and not a men's only. However, men's only gyms exist and there are plenty of men out there that want a men's only gym.
why do you think there is no serious challenge to the law then?
or... maybe I'm making assumptions, is it a law that stops men only gyms?
Originally posted by Oliver North
so, it is just like I was saying, it boils down to the free market. And places where there is such demand have the facilities, and places whereas there isn't, don't.1 point in the W column 😛
But that's not true in Muslim countries: there is a market and they make those gyms.
Oxygen Gym is just the most famous.
The real issue is: there just is not enough men, per unit area, to get enough men to purchase a gym membership. They'd have to drive from too far away. So those gyms don't happen in the US. But, trust me, there are plenty of men that don't want women in the Gyms with them, in the US. But there are enough women who want a women only gym, per unit area, to justify women only gym.
There are probably enough men per unit area in large cities that could justify a male only gym. BRB, going to look.
Edit - They do exist in the US: Cuts Fitness for Men
Edit 2 - You may want to erase that W and write in D. The D stands for "deez nuts." 313
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, the rules are different for gay dudes: they can call any woman a b*tch and get away with it. I just learned this "rule" at a Halloween party 1 week back from a gay couple.
Sounds like an excuse to be rude. If any of them had called my wife a b*tch, I would have gotten into their face. I don't care what their sexuality is. 😄 We should treat each other with respect.
Originally posted by Mindship
Given that palefaces were latecomers in human evolution, and that the white race, numbers-wise, has always been the minority, how did it come to dominate so much? Did whites somehow realize they were the smaller, later demographic, and so tried that much harder to be on top?I always wondered about this.
If not, the thesis in that book was that European cultures became dominant over the rest of the world during the Age of Exploration and beyond because of a combination of superior technology (guns), superior resources (steel), and the assistance of microorganisms (germs). The last one is arguably the most important for Diamond--germs explain why Africa didn't become like the Americas--with the native population more or less wiped out and replaced by settlers and mixed race individuals: the very same germs that destroyed the Amerindian populations were mostly endemic to Africa, and it was the white settlers instead who became sick. There's more to it than that, another important reason why Europeans came to dominate the world was their agricultural model, which was made possible by the favorable climate of Europe. He also uses Europe's geography as a way of explaining why countries like China, who had similar advantages to Europeans, didn't become colonial powers: that the lack of Balkanization (which in Europe was fomented by the many natural boundaries and peninsulas that encouraged the development of small, culturally distinct nations) didn't present the Chinese with sufficient push factors to force them to explore outside of their known world. Eventually this lack of exploration and expansion meant that they lagged behind Europe, despite having been in most ways more advanced than Europe for most of history.
Originally posted by Mindship
Cool, thanks. Googling it, the book's gotten mostly favorable reviews. Since it was published a while ago, I wonder if it's librarified by now.
That's where I actually got most of my info from it--I never had enough time/interest to read the whole book. You might start with that, and then look into the book if you find his thesis/theories interesting.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, the rules are different for gay dudes: they can call any woman a b*tch and get away with it. I just learned this "rule" at a Halloween party 1 week back from a gay couple.
I'm not gay (shut up, I'm not) and I do this all the time. I've abandoned even trying to remember the names of women, I just call them all *****, with perhaps a number after to differentiate them.