Thor NOW vs Superman New 52

I'd like to point out that when Thor was hit by the Frost Giant, he was knocked away from the scene and we never see him knocked out. Anyone who says otherwise should either post a scan or admit to being a liar. And it's revealed that in the next pages where Hulk lifts Mjolnir, it was Thor actually calling the hammer back to him.

So yes, calling that a knock out would be equivalent of saying Aquaman and the Atlantean one shotted Superman. At least Thor has the excuse of being hit from behind. I detest lowballing of this sort and it's honestly just a waste of time, but it is amusing when it backfires.

Also, didn't Aquaman withstand Ocean Master's lightning at some point in their fight? Pretty sure even Batman survived the lightning but a second bolt might have proved fatal however. Not exactly a great moment for Superman, especially when he's fighting someone who can summon much more powerful lightning.

For the record, we also saw Superman getting ravaged by those mystical teeth while Wonder Woman and Cyborg were fine. Magic is definitely a very pronounced weakness for Clark. Thor still wins imho, but if we assume his powers count as magic, this can easily be a one-sided fight depending on how extreme a showing you want to use as a reference.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was just goofing around with that frost giant comparison. Although that didn't stop you from comparing a low showing from superman as something which Thor can replicate. I didn't say nothing mjolnir can dish out is superior to ocean master, I said its unlikely in most scenarios and only applicable if you only count thor's high showings.

Top tier magical lightning like Thor's isn't been so effective on superman even backed up by top tier strength like Shazam's strength.

So is a frost giant and "molded titanium" above Thor. What, thor can replicate ocean master's lightning but superman can't replicate a frost giant's strength?

i only used the low showing to show it can go either way.
we can agree to disagree then. I am just glad we both realize low showings ain't defining the outcome of this fight

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd like to point out that when Thor was hit by the Frost Giant, he was knocked away from the scene and we never see him knocked out. Anyone who says otherwise should either post a scan or admit to being a liar. And it's revealed that in the next pages where Hulk lifts Mjolnir, it was Thor actually calling the hammer back to him.

So yes, calling that a knock out would be equivalent of saying Aquaman and the Atlantean one shotted Superman. At least Thor has the excuse of being hit from behind. I detest lowballing of this sort and it's honestly just a waste of time, but it is amusing when it backfires.

Also, didn't Aquaman withstand Ocean Master's lightning at some point in their fight? Pretty sure even Batman survived the lightning but a second bolt might have proved fatal however. Not exactly a great moment for Superman, especially when he's fighting someone who can summon much more powerful lightning.

For the record, we also saw Superman getting ravaged by those mystical teeth while Wonder Woman and Cyborg were fine. Magic is definitely a very pronounced weakness for Clark. Thor still wins imho, but if we assume his powers count as magic, this can easily be a one-sided fight depending on how extreme a showing you want to use as a reference.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I'm saying that fro the start.

Its not my fault that thor has a weakness too, punches.

Originally posted by Warlord
i only used the low showing to show it can go either way.
we can agree to disagree then. I am just glad we both realize low showings ain't defining the outcome of this fight

We can agree upon that. Superman fought a 5-d imp FFS and there's nothing better magical than that.

Also 😂 @ rage, well raging out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fine. Superman uses frost breath to cover himself in ice and oneshots thor. Happy now?

ahah

Post scans of DCNU Superman using his frost breath to turn himself into a Frost Giant 😄

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Like Thor can replicate...

Are we talking about Crisis Times Five? Cap sucker punches Superman once, dazing him, and finishes him off with a second punch?

Kind of a non feat, if you consider Martian Manhunter knocked out Cap in just one cheap shot. 😛

Originally posted by Igniz
Post scans of DCNU Superman using his frost breath to turn himself into a Frost Giant 😄

Happy?

😛

Originally posted by abhilegend
*random scan*

Happy?

😛

Come on abhi 🙂 You said DCNU Superman would turn himself into a frost giant using his frost breath 🙄 Make a believer out of me.Post scan or scans to show proof or just concede 😛

Originally posted by Igniz
Come on abhi 🙂 You said DCNU Superman would turn himself into a frost giant using his frost breath 🙄 Make a believer out of me.Post scan or scans to show proof or just concede 😛

**random scan*

Play along igniz.

I would give the slight advantage to Thor. I would say so ... 6/10.
(Was it Pre N52 Superman, then he would win in my opinion due to some impressive speed showings)
But since this is the N52 Superman, it's more like this ...

Superman's advantages over Thor:

1. Superman is naturally simply faster than Thor and can use that to his advantage. He is "so much faster" that in theory he can pick his shots and aim for Thor's chin, which increases the chances of a knockout much more, but that is partially also depended on luck, so it's not a criteria.

2. Superman might be stronger judging by the ridiculous 5 days Earth bench press feat. Thor simply does not have such a strength feat and not even his Midgard Serpent feat comes close to that, so in theory Superman might be able to overpower Thor physically by holding his arms and maybe even breaking them.

But with that being said, it doesn't man that his overall damage output is higher. In fact it's not... It has been stated multiple times in the new Superman comics that Superman's non-holding-back damage output is enough to topple mountains, which is something Thor should be capable of taking.
But then again - thanks to Superman's speed advantage he can travel a certain distance in a short amount of time to gather momentum and strike Thor with even more impact.

Superman's disadvantages over Thor:

1. Superman's durability / invulnerability to magic have not been established yet. He has some interesting durability feats like taking shots, which sent him across the globe and stuff like that, so he certainly can take a punch.
We've also seen him tanking 50 GW electric shocks, AFTER being weakened by a bunch of 5D imps in forms of angels (or did I just dream that?), so his durability against substained damage is also quite high - especially when it comes to electricity, but ...

Thor uses magical lightning and we've seen Superman struggeling with magic BIG TIME! He has been taken out by Oceanmaster and he has also been BADLY cut by some magical thingies, when he was together with Wonder Woman somewhere in a different dimension, I don't even know, but they also had a magical background, so Thor's attacks might be able to do a lot of damage to Superman.

2. Superman's morals ... DC tried to come up with a more corny and badass Superman, but in the end of the day he still has his morals and it's always questionable how he would fight in character. I don't see him ending the fight in a quick manner. Thor is simply too durable and experienced for that and if Thor tags Superman even once, I see him doing a lot more damage to Superman than vice versa, due to his ridiculous damage output as we've seen it in his fight against Gorr - and also the added magical damage from Mjolnir, which also grants Thor a great amount of versatility and if both characters are fighting to the best of their abilities Thor has a big advantage thanks to Mjolnir.
Not only could Thor take the Heat Vision, without any problems IMO, since he has been in the Sun before and supposedly absorbed a blast 1000 hotter than the Sun.

Final conclusion:

Sentry beats them both at the same time.

^it's getting old.

Originally posted by Enzeru

2. Superman might be stronger judging by the ridiculous 5 days Earth bench press feat. Thor simply does not have such a strength feat and not even his Midgard Serpent feat comes close to that, so in theory Superman might be able to overpower Thor physically by holding his arms and maybe even breaking them.

Originally posted by Enzeru

[b]Final conclusion:

Sentry beats them both at the same time. [/B]

Ure conclusion is pure win considering the essay u just wrote beforehand. 😆
I do hate that character though.

Originally posted by curryman
^it's getting old.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559432&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by abhilegend
You should've seen him a few years ago when he first appeared. Now I just laugh when I see his posts. This is just classic though.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559432&pagenumber=1

I'm afraid you're not someone, who should laugh at the post of the others, judging by the reputation you have here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You should've seen him a few years ago when he first appeared. Now I just laugh when I see his posts. This is just classic though.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559432&pagenumber=1

Only heston can do this one justice.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
His WST (WorldsShattererThor) feat is big on strength... Unless u think him swinging his arms is all magic..?

No, I just think that strength does not necessarily equal striking.

For Superman:

If I'm capable of benchpressing 200 lbs of steel, that doesn't mean, that I can also punch through 200 lbs of steel.

I simply don't think that Superman has the damage output to put someone like Thor down fast. Maybe he did lift the Earth for 5 days straight, but his damage output via strikes has been stated to be around mountain level, MULTIPLE times. That is Superman at his best (for now).
And I know that Thor at his best can take mountain level punches. The question is if he can handle it in the long run, when a few of these punches come in a short period of time due to Superman's speed advantage.

For Thor:

For the God of Thunder it's the opposite actually ... just because he had the strength to hit his opponents so hard to shatter planets in the process, doesn't mean that he could bench press these planets for few days.
If a writer feels like it, he could do it of course (even though I hope it never happens, because it's stupid), but as for now, he does not have that strength.

You can have a well trained, skinny monk punch through a wood plank or hell maybe even multiple layers of bricks like it's nothing, while an untrained, yet physically superior bodybuilder fails to do so, simply because he lacks the technique and maybe even the mind set to pull that off.

Thor has that experience and he has that mind set, where he simply attacks and therefore can dish out more physical damage, but that is not his only trait... he also has his magic, which would hurt Superman badly and that's why I give him the slight advantage.

But you can NEVER underestimate speed :-7 In a well written fight Thor would be in a world of trouble against Superman.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm afraid you're not someone, who should laugh at the post of the others, judging by the reputation you have here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
At least I wasn't banned from CBR because I loved sentry too much. Its a tremendous feat I tell you.

The reason why I got a short time-ban on CBR was because "I questioned the mod rules" set up for the Sentry, simply because they were not true, since the mods didn't take a lot of context regarding the Sentry into consideration.

The Sentry is a complicated character and not everyone is able to grasp him to the fullest. Even I needed years of reading and paying attention at everything to finally get it.

"Weird mod rules" for the Sentry on Killermovies are also the reason why I'm not THAT active here, since in the end of the day it simply doesn't make sense, but people with mod rights are putting their opinion over the opinion of other people, even though the chance is there that they lack proper knowledge.

What I'm talking about? I'm talking about separating the Void Sentry from Siege from other versions of the Sentry and saying that the character was usually not portrayed that way.
That rule is plain simply stupid and doesn't make any sense what so ever, because of the following reasons:

1. Void overwhelmed the Avengers and other heroes in the past without even trying,
2. Void broke an opponent much more durable than Ares (in Savage Hulk),
3. Sentry has much better feats than the Void and that even before the events of Siege.

So separating the Void Sentry from other versions of the Sentry and the Void is ridiculous, but this is now me once again questioning mods and their decisions, which in the mind of some people is ban-worthy. Oh well.

Cool story bro, sentry is such a complex character that only you in the whole world has been able to understand him. Sentry is nothing but several of superman's story arcs and character traits from 80's mashed together by a terrible writer aka Paul Jenkins. He is nothing but a power fantasy from a writer who has zero talent how to write, "See here is this super-duper powerful character who stan lee forgot about. He taught Angel how to fly, gave spidey, reed, tony and every other hero morals, had sex with rogue, was best buds with hulk, every hero was beneath him, he would beat Thor in two seconds and so on. Oh he also had a dark side of his mind which he manifested via hard light construct to own every character and only Sentry can beat him, blah, blah, blah". He is a character with zero depth ala Loeb's Red Hulk.

Now you're using high showings from a character and whining about how people don't use them as average showings. That's all you do, whine, whine and whine some more. Now stop cluttering the thread with your sentry love. Please.