Originally posted by ares834
Based on what feats does he beat Dooku, Windu or DOE Bane?
-He lead his own Sith Empire through a period of immense prosperity.
-He was a giant Sith breed and a power fighter:who beat his tentarak
-His scepter in Jedi Academy has the power to shoot beams that can smash through stones and collapse parts of cellings.
-He was able to live as a force ghost after death. Something only Sith of IMMENSE power have acomplished.
-Ludo Kressh also stated Naga Sadow was a discrace to Marka Ragnoses name. Ludo also smashed a Sith Sword with his bare hands and collapsed a giant statue. Ragnos is a large amount above Ludo, obviously so thats impressive.
-In SWTOR it refers to the Sith Juggernaut (Darth Vader, Darth Malgus, etc.) as the way of Marka Ragnos, meaning he was a powerful tank fighter.
-He was the one that named Uliq and Exar Kun Sithlords, as stated on the website(for some reason he came back in spirt form, rising from the dead). Nether challenged him or even fought back when he commended superiority over them.
-Ruled the sith empire for over 100years.
-He defeated Simus for title of the Dark lord of the Sith. Simus was able to keep himself alive as a head through the force.
-Was better then all Sith Lords before him. And that includes Ajunta Pall who slew 12Jedi at once I believe--and King Adas who ruled his empire for over a century powering himself by the darkside and drove out the Rakatan Infinite Empire.
I also have heard people say the creator of TOTJ stated he had equal physical strength to Darth Vader--but i'm not sure this is true. Ragnos is very very powerful, but is obviously under Sidious/Yoda.
Originally posted by ares834
Yeah...Not a single one of those puts him above Maul let alone Windu.
True. Yeah I overestimated his strength, he loses at 3 proabably. Most of his powers come from his scepter. Was just trying to make this thread interesting. When thinking about it he has no real feats putting him above Maul.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol. No, the staff by itself is more than enough to beat a pansy like Jinn.He gets to 3 imo. Ragnos is obviously hugely powerful and the staff is broken as shite but I'm not putting him above Bane based just on that.
EDIT: oops, I've just noticed #2 is Maul... Yeah Ragnos goes down there most probably.
Originally posted by Ragnosfan1998
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."-Traya
their you have it, Sidious is a kid playing with a lightsaber cheese knife compared to Tulak Hord.
Marka Ragnos looks at his first foe, then leaves, disappointed, looking for a sith duel to interrupt instead.
Marka Rangos loves interrupting duels.
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."-Traya
their you have it, Sidious is a kid playing with a lightsaber cheese knife compared to Tulak Hord.
Yet, revived ancient Sith keep getting killed by newer people...
How do we go from "there's not enough information about him to "he won't even make it to 3"? What we don't know about him already puts him at 3 at the very least.
Also, lol@revived. He was nothing more than a sith spirit going into an inferior body. Remind us how that translates into "lol he is a weakling"?
Not just him. There's been other ancient sith who've survived in stasis or who have come back in their bodies restored.
"The Ancient Sith are Best!" is the opinion of some characters, but these characters don't have all the information and the facts indicate that, while there are certainly some very powerful ancient sith, they aren't really beyond the powerful sith of other eras.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
the ancient sith bowed before sidious and praised him, fyi
At least some of the ancient sith were kinda jerks to him in Empire's End actually, or at least most of them were... but they're jerks to everyone, and at least one of 'em liked him for his power and devotion to the dark side and helped him out.
Which is pretty standard- if you're looking for advice from ancient side, be (1) powerful in the dark side, and (2) ask as many as possible, because *some* are going to be jerks and brush you off, but you'll usually find at least one powerful one who likes the cut of your jib as long as you have 1. That's how it worked for clone Palps and Krayt.
Oh, I just re-read the ancient sith spirits talking to Palps scene...
The ancient Sith there are such *pikers*! "We ruled for centuries, you ruled for mere decades!"
Yea, you, as a group, ruled for centuries (neither Marka, who ruled for about a century, or Vitaite, were among them btw)... ruled a couple dozen worlds. Palpatine ruled the galaxy! What punks!
Ah, sorry, I don't have it scanned and it'd be tricky for me to do so at the moment.
Additionally, at the end of the conversation, they say that what he needs to do is possess Anakin Solo... who's, like, a baby at the moment. I seriously believe they were just screwing with him.
Really, Ancient Sith spirits are jerks.
Modern ones too, but I think the spiritification process gives one nothing better to do than to mess with still living sith.