RoT Bane, HoT and Hord vs Anakin, Caedus and RotS Sidious

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Originally posted by Master Han
Actually, everyone's just gathering around to laugh at you. So if that was your intention,

Its always my intention to make people laugh. Its like a beautiful miracle that I create in their hearts.

Originally posted by Master Han
OK, but while HoT is struggling against Palpy's lightning, Caedus shoots his own lightning and kills him. Or Anakin tosses his saber. It's not as if they can't multitask.

Ok, but while Sidious is struggling with overpowering the HoT, Bane shoots his own lightning and kills him. Or Tulak Hord runs up and cuts his head off. It's not as if they can't multitask.

It isn't as if the HoT's team is going to just let her be cut down and that argument can be easily be turned on its head. Trying to think up ways teams can work together and fight together is too unpredictable and hard to argue about anyway, which is why in most threads people just pair them up and argue like that.

Originally posted by Master Han
Except Sidious has killed fifty stormtroopers at the same time with lightning, and disintegrated massive zillo beasts. He also pushed Yoda to his limits.

Proof about the zilo beats? I've never heard that. Plus Bane did turn a Drexl into a charred husk. But the fact is that you can't really argue that either is superior to the others since they're basically the same.

Originally posted by Master Han
It's not a matter of volts, but amps. I somehow doubt those assassin's electrostaffs compare to Palpatine's FL, lol.

Whatever, I don't know shit about electricity and I doubt Drew does either. The text says 'a million volts of current' so there you go.

Yeah, so do I, but like I said Bane would obviously be working to blunt the attack as well.

Originally posted by Master Han
Yoda made that mistake.

He's made several. Yoda's kind of stupid. Bane on the other hand displays good tactical aptitude in most of his fights.

Originally posted by Master Han
Does the Empire control Mandalore?

Not in RotS as I recall.

Either way I was joking. He gets no troops.

Originally posted by Master Han
Define pulling a ship down. Feel free to elaborate on how this happened.

Pulling down a ship is self-explanatory and needs no elaboration. Pulling is something we all know the definition of.

At least, I dearly hope so..... 😐

Originally posted by Master Han
So what? Palpatine soloed 10,000 Jedi and killed off quintillions of battle droids. See how I can embellish facts?

Your startling incompetence disgusts me. Here, get a clue you illiterate piece of shit.

Palpatine did that with armies. Tulak Hord explicitly soloed Yn by himself.

Originally posted by Master Han
Darn that. Sidious took care of quintillions of battle droids and literally blew up a planet.

You're a funny guy Han.

I think I'll kill you last. >:]

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bane is being undersold here.

I also find Hord's “feats" to be too ambiguous to make this leap and state that he's on a level of people like Sidious, Caedus or Zoned Anakin.

Speaking of which, let’s not forget that Anakin is not “zone restricted” here. Already in CW he was matching Dooku in sabers, and giving him extremely tough time in all-out.
I see no reason why Anakin wouldn’t be able to replicate that level of combat prowess here.
If When Anakin gets zoned, he solos either member of team 1.

Can HoT absorb lightning with his hands? If not, I'd argue that Sidious' lightning would rip through his saber defense just like it did with Yoda.

I actually have to agree with Nepthys on Tulak Hord, he takes out Caedus.

Now Sidious takes out HoT or just TKS him, Bane takes out Anakin (Anakin would hold out for a while). Meanwhile Sidious takes Tulak in a hard fight then jumps over and its Bane Vs Sidious which Sidious wins.

Or Cadeus takes on Bane they stalemate(Or Cadeus wins), Anakin takes down the Hero, and Sidious takes on Tulak. Team 2 still wins.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Can HoT absorb lightning with his hands? If not, I'd argue that Sidious' lightning would rip through his saber defense just like it did with Yoda.

No, I don't believe he has, although I think he blocked lightning when Kira was possessed with a Force shield.

Either way, I'd argue Sidious wouldn't.

Originally posted by Stigma
I wouldn't go that far.
After all, Bane is canonically < RotS Sidious

I also find Hord's “feats" to be too ambiguous to make this leap and state that he's on a level of people like Sidious, Caedus or Zoned Anakin.

Speaking of which, let’s not forget that Anakin is not “zone restricted” here. Already in CW he was matching Dooku in sabers, and giving him extremely tough time in all-out.
I see no reason why Anakin wouldn’t be able to replicate that level of combat prowess here.
If When Anakin gets zoned, he solos either member of team 1.

Anakin is zone restricted. I said so on the last page.

But I'd argue he would. lol

Tulak kills Sidious, Caedus, and Anakin faster then you can blink.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin is zone restricted. I said so on the last page.

He's still going to give hell to either opponent from team 1 tho.
Meanhile Sidious or Caedus can take out HoT, Hord or Bane.

TBH I see no way in which team 1 would take a majority.

I don't see how Neph thinks team 1 could win.

Sidious could possibly take Hord and either Bane or HoT together. Caedus could take anyone on team III, and Anakin could take Hord and do well against Bane or HoT. We can even compare possibilities:

Sidious beats Bane
Caedus beats HoT
Anakin beats Hord

Sidious beats Hord
Caedus beats Bane
Anakin holds against HoT

Sidious beats HoT
Caedus beats Hord
Anakin holds against Bane

You must not be looking very hard.

Sidious beats Bane - False
Caedus beats HoT - False
Anakin beats Hord - Lol.

Sidious beats Hord - After a hard fight
Caedus beats Bane - False
Anakin holds against HoT - Nah.

Sidious beats HoT - Maybe after a hard fight
Caedus beats Hord - False
Anakin holds against Bane - Lol no.

On the other hand:

Bane matches Sidious
Hord beats Caedus
HoT beats Anakin

Bane beats Caedus
Hord beats Anakin
HoT matches or loses to Sidious

Bane beats Anakin
Hord loses to Sidious after a hard fight
HoT matches or beats Caedus

Originally posted by Master Han
I don't see how Neph thinks team 1 could win.

Sidious could possibly take Hord and either Bane or HoT together. Caedus could take anyone on team III, and Anakin could take Hord and do well against Bane or HoT. We can even compare possibilities:

Sidious beats Bane
Caedus beats HoT
Anakin beats Hord

Sidious beats Hord
Caedus beats Bane
Anakin holds against HoT

Sidious beats HoT
Caedus beats Hord
Anakin holds against Bane

You are IGNORANT.

Tulak Hord woud kill Darth Sidious (leader of the SHIT SIDE OF THE DARK FORCE) faster then when Sidious killed Kolar.

Tulak hord would SLAUGHTER EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON TEAM 2 BEFORE THEY KNEW WHAT HAPPEND.

Sidious is a child playing with a lightsaber cheese knife compared to Sidious. Thats a fact.

Now Anakin(Full Potential reached, Moris level.) Vs Hord would be a AMAZING fight but Hord would win most of the time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious beats Bane - False

Bane's orbalisks are weak against lightning. Kill the orbalisks, and they release toxins into Bane, killing him, your irrelevant quip that he took "a million volts" being irrelevant.

Caedus beats HoT - False

Caedus gave Luke hell and is more powerful than Vader. He's also a better damage soak, and a range of esoteric Force abilities.

Anakin beats Hord - Lol.

What are Hord's feats?

He was the top lightsaber duelist in an era where most Jedi and Sith were still using enchanted swords.

He pulled a ship from the sky, but I explained to you the Physics 101 of why this is a silly feat.

Sidious beats Hord - After a hard fight

LOL, no. Sidious crushes Hord with force lightning.

Caedus beats Bane - False

True. Bane with his orbalisks couldn't beat Raskta Lsu, lol. Note that the orbalisks actually slow him down.

Anakin holds against HoT - Nah.

Yeah...Anakin is one of the top duelists in the mythos, lol. Have you read Stover's accolades?

Sidious beats HoT - Maybe after a hard fight

No, not really.

Caedus beats Hord - False

Hord is featless.

Anakin holds against Bane - Lol no.

lol yes. Anakin could hold his own against anyone short of Yoda and Sidious.

Bane matches Sidious

Justify this.

Hord beats Caedus

Based on what?

HoT beats Anakin

Based on what?

Nepthys, it seems like your ore reasonable then most of the members on here (who are simply over obsessive PT fanboys). But let me tell you something, Sidious would NEVER defeat Tulak Hord, EVER. Tulak defeated ARMIES OF MILLIONS OF JEDI!.

Sidious lost to Mace Windu. Got his ass chucked down a giant shaft by a injured broken half man half machine shadow of his former self.

Tulak would kill Sidious in the blink of an eye. Its understandable from a first glance why you might think their close: however once you get into the EU and look at the objective feats from the Sith of old, and those of the TOR era it becomes apperant and quite obvious Sith of Old/TOR characters are on a whole completely different playing field then those in the movies.

*facepalm* this is hilarious, watching you as you restate the things people believed 10 years ago.

Originally posted by Ragnosfan1998
Nepthys, it seems like your ore reasonable then most of the members on here .

Your approval fills me with shame. But.... thanks?

V I like you. 👆

Hord is the big guy in this match. His feats if taken at face-value are some of the best combat ones I've ever heard of for anyone. ROTS Sidious did take down 3 Jedi Masters like nothing, though. So we could maybe make the claim Sidious could replicate Hord's feats, especially if they were just random Jedi.

Palpatine can TK all of them in simultaneity.

Sure.

Originally posted by Master Han
Bane's orbalisks are weak against lightning. Kill the orbalisks, and they release toxins into Bane, killing him, your irrelevant quip that he took "a million volts" being irrelevant.

They aren't weak against lightning. In fact they actually give Bane extra resistance to them. If you hit him with lightning hard enough they'll die but... if you hit anyone with lightning hard enough they'll die. :T

Its like saying they're weak to lightsabers because sure they mostly protect you from them but the head is still vulnerable, so if you're good enough to hit Banes head he's ****ed.

Also that second irrelevent is irrelevent.

Originally posted by Master Han
Caedus gave Luke hell and is more powerful than Vader. He's also a better damage soak, and a range of esoteric Force abilities.

Yes. That doesn't automatically put him above the HoT though, who defeated the the first or second most powerful Sith of all time.

Originally posted by Master Han
What are Hord's feats?

He was the top lightsaber duelist in an era where most Jedi and Sith were still using enchanted swords.

He pulled a ship from the sky, but I explained to you the Physics 101 of why this is a silly feat.

No they weren't. Lightsabers were clearly in full use by that point seeing as Hord wrote a ****ing essay on the lightsaber forms on a giant stone tablet. Hords lightsaber skills were legendary and have been highly praised. His accolades are better than Anakins are. His combat ability has been proven at the battles of Yn and Chabosh. And he got stronger afterwards by draining power from the thousands of Jedi that died against him. He can beat Anakin.

I don't care about your stupid physics lesson or if its silly, he still did it. Luke manipulating black holes, Nihilus levitating the Ravager out of Malachor V and Palpatine tearing apart planets surfaces is silly but guess they're still canon motherfvcker.

Originally posted by Master Han
LOL, no. Sidious crushes Hord with force lightning.

Hahaha, no.

Originally posted by Master Han
True. Bane with his orbalisks couldn't beat Raskta Lsu, lol. Note that the orbalisks actually slow him down.

Raskta Lsu enhanced with battle meditation while Bane was weakened by it. And no they don't. The Orbalisks give him extra adrenaline and power, and they're not stated to weigh him down to my knowledge.

Plus the guys still fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers at one to Zannah.

Originally posted by Master Han
Yeah...Anakin is one of the top duelists in the mythos, lol. Have you read Stover's accolades?

Yes, though I really couldn't give less of a fart about anything in that book. It doesn't mean he can beat the HoT who was probably the greatest combatant in the TOR-era.

Originally posted by Master Han
No, not really.

Yes.

Originally posted by Master Han
Hord is featless.

Originally posted by Master Han
lol yes. Anakin could hold his own against anyone short of Yoda and Sidious.

Hahaha, no. Bane overpowers Anakin with his lightning or his TK, or simply dominates him in a lightsaber duel.

Originally posted by Master Han
Justify this.

Er, the orblasks are really ****ing haxx and make him a beast in lightsabers so that not only is he really fast, strong and skilled, he's also 90% invulnerable, he's incredibly powerful and has Force lightning comparable to Sidious' and TK close if not comparable to his.

Originally posted by Master Han
Based on what?

Derp. Pay attention duncedouche.

Originally posted by Master Han
Based on what?

Bluh.

You totally asked me a bunch of stuff twice btw. Kind of irrelevent. >;]

Originally posted by The Merchant
Hord is the big guy in this match. His feats if taken at face-value are some of the best combat ones I've ever heard of for anyone.

That's the key right there. Many people, including me, don't take them at face-value.

What specifically do you doubt about them?