Thor, Hulk and Silver Surfer Vs The Justice League

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read every surfer appearance ever. He has never done so in a fight. The gladiator scene is just him knowing the radiation weakness out of blue like hulk and skrulls did and there is no cosmic awareness involved, he has never sensed hulk's weaknesses etc. Suffice to say, he has never sensed enemy's powers and weaknesses while going in a fight.

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Originally posted by Brockalizer
Yes he has.

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In the second scene he is amped by several gamma bombs and is nothing to do with cosmic awareness.

Superman shoots Hulk with heatvision as hot as the surface of the sun, Hulk is burned and brittle but his healing factor starts to kick in. Then Superman uses freezing breath to freeze Hulk's molecules before they can repair themselves.

Hal Jordan drains Surfer of the power cosmic like he drained Volthoom.

Flash's infinite mass punch can take out Thor if someone like Taurus can do it.

Look, I'm not trying to lowball here. Any of these would be good fights and debatable 1v1s. But giving DC even more firepower here is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman shoots Hulk with heatvision as hot as the surface of the sun, Hulk is burned and brittle but his healing factor starts to kick in. Then Superman uses freezing breath to freeze Hulk's molecules before they can repair themselves.

Hal Jordan drains Surfer of the power cosmic like he drained Volthoom.

Flash's infinite mass punch can take out Thor if someone like Taurus can do it.

Look, I'm not trying to lowball here. Any of these would be good fights and debatable 1v1s. But giving DC even more firepower here is ridiculous.

Low-balling? You just did, useing 3 on 3 your saying they would beat Hulk, Surfer and Thor on there own..

Not saying your wrong, but you just explained that Superman, G.L and Flash would beat the 3 fairly easy..

Originally posted by Supermex
Low-balling? You just did, useing 3 on 3 your saying they would beat Hulk, Surfer and Thor on there own..

Not saying your wrong, but you just explained that Superman, G.L and Flash would beat the 3 fairly easy..

I mean I'm not trying to lowball for the sake of lowballing, I'm just trying to illustrate that these characters stand a chance 1v1. A good chance at that. Adding more into the mix tips the balance too far in favor of DC imo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In first he sensed some rigellians aboard a space-ship, nothing about sensing power and weaknesses of enemies in a fight.

In the second scene he is amped by several gamma bombs and is nothing to do with cosmic awareness.

Originally posted by Odekahn

Flash's infinite mass punch can take out Thor if someone like Taurus can do it.

Look, I'm not trying to lowball here. Any of these would be good fights and debatable 1v1s. But giving DC even more firepower here is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman shoots Hulk with heatvision as hot as the surface of the sun, Hulk is burned and brittle but his healing factor starts to kick in. Then Superman uses freezing breath to freeze Hulk's molecules before they can repair themselves.

Hal Jordan drains Surfer of the power cosmic like he drained Volthoom.

Flash's infinite mass punch can take out Thor if someone like Taurus can do it.

Look, I'm not trying to lowball here. Any of these would be good fights and debatable 1v1s. But giving DC even more firepower here is ridiculous.

😂 at heat vision doing anything to HULK. Hulk has TANKED much more and Orion tanked Superman heat vision like nothing. Also lol at freeze breath.

Originally posted by carver9
😂 at heat vision doing anything to HULK. Hulk has TANKED much more and Orion tanked Superman heat vision like nothing. Also lol at freeze breath.

Sure Hulk has tanked better. But are we only using high feats because he's been hurt by a lot worse too?

If we are using Hulk at his best Durability, lets use heat vision at its most potent.

Also, you can't just assume it was on full dial when it hit orion as Superman adjusts and uses various degrees of heat vision and freeze breath.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
[B]In the first one he specifically refers to his cosmic senses and is able to sense that one of the Rigellians has a superpower, in that case telepathy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigellians_(comics)

In the second he doesn't directly refer to his cosmic awareness, but he does imply that he knows what the source of the Hulks power is and then proceeds to take it from him.

Originally posted by Brockalizer

CIS hasn't been turned off and Flash doesn't just go around IMPing people.

Oh, but Thor routinely Godblasts out of the gate, Surfer always transmutes his enemies into sandwiches for Galactus, and Hulks new book title should just be changed to World Breaker...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Team 1

lol come on Tony even you have to suspend your bias sometimes. JLA wins handily here.

Spite, really, why isn't this closed even with WBH Team 1 would get their sh!t pushed in.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Oh, but Thor routinely Godblasts out of the gate, Surfer always transmutes his enemies into sandwiches for Galactus, and Hulks new book title should just be changed to World Breaker...

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he sensed some beings in which there was a telepathic rigellian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigellians_(comics)
He has worked with hulk for a long time in Defenders, he knows what hulk's power source is. That's not applicable for normal surfer since he was amped. [/B][/QUOTE]
The purpose of that scan wasn't to illustrate Surfer's cosmic awareness. The purpose was to illustrate that Surfer uses the knowledge he has acquired to exploit an adversaries weakness.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
[B]I never said that they did. My point is that CIS hasn't been turned off, so they are fighting in character. That being said, Silver Surfer is more likely to enter into a battle with an unknown opponent by taking advantage of his cosmic awareness and exploiting a weakness, than Flash or Superman are to start a fight under the same conditions with a full power speed blitz.

Ok, prove it.
Show me a handful of times that Surfer has done this at the beginning of the battle and I will be more apt to agree that it is in his character to do so.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok, prove it.
Show me a handful of times that Surfer has done this at the beginning of the battle and I will be more apt to agree that it is in his character to do so.

Lol at you asking for any proof of his post when in this same thread you made up a way Superman fights during combat when he has never done it on panel. Also, I will respond to your other post shortly.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at you asking for any proof of his post when in this same thread you made up a way Superman fights during combat when he has never done it on panel. Also, I will respond to your other post shortly.

How is it funny? Because you think I'm being hypocritical? Put all the pieces of the conversation together and try again.

I did come up with ways DC could win, and AFTER that Brock started talking about CIS. So I want him to illustrate that Surfer with CIS on would still do as such. If its such a frequent event, there should be no problem coming up with a dozen or so scans spanned over the decades.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Sure Hulk has tanked better. But are we only using high feats because he's been hurt by a lot worse too?

If we are using Hulk at his best Durability, lets use heat vision at its most potent.

Also, you can't just assume it was on full dial when it hit orion as Superman adjusts and uses various degrees of heat vision and freeze breath.

Lol...that's the thing, I'm not talking about his high showings, I'm talking about his average. Heat vision isn't doing a THING to HULK just like it didn't stop top tier Orion.

Again, I'm not using Hulks durability at its best. Also, show me a scan of DCNU best heat vision ft.

Why wasn't it at full dial? Why would he hold back against someone that just got finished smiling at a blitz assault from him. When has it been confirmed that this cocky version of Superman holds back anyways. Provide a scan proving your case on all your claims.

Originally posted by Odekahn
How is it funny? Because you think I'm being hypocritical? Put all the pieces of the conversation together and try again.

I did come up with ways DC could win, and AFTER that Brock started talking about CIS. So I want him to illustrate that Surfer with CIS on would still do as such. If its such a frequent event, there should be no problem coming up with a dozen or so scans spanned over the decades.

Brock is debating like you though. You said Superman would heat vision the skin off of Hulk, Hulk would try to heal and Superman would ice breath him. When has Superman fought like this or done anything close to this, especially to a top tier.

Hulk has withstood Thor like power output; he withstood a prolong attack that could melt adamantium...armor that can generate any amount of pressure on his body...etc, etc, but you think heat vision is going to do something? Come on bro.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's the thing, I'm not talking about his high showings, I'm talking about his average. Heat vision isn't doing a THING to HULK just like it didn't stop top tier Orion.

Again, I'm not using Hulks durability at its best. Also, show me a scan of DCNU best heat vision ft.

Why wasn't it at full dial? Why would he hold back against someone that just got finished smiling at a blitz assault from him. When has it been confirmed that this cocky version of Superman holds back anyways. Provide a scan proving your case on all your claims.

1. Please show me what is convincing you that regular Hulk can just shrug off a full powered blast of heatvision.

2. I'm on my iPhone and at work. Which means no scans.

3. Why wasnt it on full dial? Really? He's Superman. We spend half the thread talking about how he holds back in character, and you want to assume he's going all out only when it fits your position?