Thor, Hulk and Silver Surfer Vs The Justice League

Originally posted by carver9
Brock is debating like you though. You said Superman would heat vision the skin off of Hulk, Hulk would try to heal and Superman would ice breath him. When has Superman fought like this or done anything close to this, especially to a top tier.

Hulk has withstood Thor like power output; he withstood a prolong attack that could melt adamantium...armor that can generate any amount of pressure on his body...etc, etc, but you think heat vision is going to do something? Come on bro.

Brock was debating like me AFTER lecturing me about CIS. How are you going to make a point and then not even follow it yourself? If you can't play by the rules, maybe you shouldnt be so quick to throw the book at other people. I know that's not what he was intentionally trying to do btw, I'm just saying.

Yes, I think heat vision is one of MANY tools that Superman has to win. I'm not saying Superman stomps the Hulk. I'm just saying that it would be a really good fight that could potentially go either way.

What I originally had a problem with, was all the other characters added in also. It's not fair to Marvel.

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. Please show me what is convincing you that regular Hulk can just shrug off a full powered blast of heatvision.

2. I'm on my iPhone and at work. Which means no scans.

3. Why wasnt it on full dial? Really? He's Superman. We spend half the thread talking about how he holds back in character, and you want to assume he's going all out only when it fits your position?

His recent showings unless you can show me something different convincinge he won't shrug it off (like Orion who fts pales in comparisiom to Hulks).

I provide scans all the time when I'm on my phone. I can wait though.

Show me so.egging proving this version of Superman holds back. Its a simple question. From what I have been seeing, he is cocky.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok, prove it.
Show me a handful of times that Surfer has done this at the beginning of the battle and I will be more apt to agree that it is in his character to do so.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1220/spidermanteamup0204jb9.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7687/silversurfer0214dr7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6421/fantasticfour07611fe5.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
His recent showings unless you can show me something different convincinge he won't shrug it off (like Orion who fts pales in comparisiom to Hulks).

I provide scans all the time when I'm on my phone. I can wait though.

Show me so.egging proving this version of Superman holds back. Its a simple question. From what I have been seeing, he is cocky.

I don't do the digital comics thing, all mine are boxed and boarded. So unless I take a picture with my phone, then I don't have much luck. Also, like I said, I'm at work.

As far as Superman holding back, it's obvious. Otherwise, there would be a lot more deaths in the DCU lol. Just look at the first few issues of JL and his first physical encounter with the other heroes and you will see it him obviously holding back.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Prove what, that Surfer doesn't enter into battle with his senses? That's like saying "show me proof that Surfer starts a battle with his eyes and ears open". Cosmic awareness isn't something that he can turn on or off. It's always on, unless some plot device has been introduced to disrupt it. If you want proof of what his cosmic awareness is capable of and has done in the past, then here you go.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1220/spidermanteamup0204jb9.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7687/silversurfer0214dr7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6421/fantasticfour07611fe5.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg

Surfer isn't Omniscient.

I want to see links proving that Surfer routinely comes into contact with a being, automatically knows its weakness, and uses it against the being right off the bat. You claimed that its not out of his character to do just that, right?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Prove what, that Surfer doesn't enter into battle with his senses? That's like saying "show me proof that Surfer starts a battle with his eyes and ears open". Cosmic awareness isn't something that he can turn on or off. It's always on, unless some plot device has been introduced to disrupt it. If you want proof of what his cosmic awareness is capable of and has done in the past, then here you go.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1220/spidermanteamup0204jb9.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7687/silversurfer0214dr7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6421/fantasticfour07611fe5.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg

Ok, so 1 scan shows Surfer asking questions (shouldnt his cosmic awareness already tell him the answer?)

1 that doesn't work.

1 that that shows surfer detecting life in a universe (which Superman could easily do with super hearing and vision) that had nothing to do with combat.

And 1 that shows Surfer standing around talking to Gladiator. Its not in combat and doesn't even say how Surfer knows his weakness.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Brock was debating like me AFTER lecturing me about CIS. How are you going to make a point and then not even follow it yourself? If you can't play by the rules, maybe you shouldnt be so quick to throw the book at other people. I know that's not what he was intentionally trying to do btw, I'm just saying.

Yes, I think heat vision is one of MANY tools that Superman has to win. I'm not saying Superman stomps the Hulk. I'm just saying that it would be a really good fight that could potentially go either way.

What I originally had a problem with, was all the other characters added in also. It's not fair to Marvel.

If that's the case, then I apologize.

Lol...heat vision isn't working...along with ice breath. I think it would be a good fight but, not as an insult, I don't think you have been keeping up with Hulk.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I don't do the digital comics thing, all mine are boxed and boarded. So unless I take a picture with my phone, then I don't have much luck. Also, like I said, I'm at work.

As far as Superman holding back, it's obvious. Otherwise, there would be a lot more deaths in the DCU lol. Just look at the first few issues of JL and his first physical encounter with the other heroes and you will see it him obviously holding back.

Don't see a reason for Superman holding back against a powerful opponent. Thats why I am asking you for scans proving otherwise.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Surfer isn't Omniscient.

I want to see links proving that Surfer routinely comes into contact with a being, automatically knows its weakness, and uses it against the being right off the bat. You claimed that its not out of his character to do just that, right?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok, so 1 scan shows Surfer asking questions (shouldnt his cosmic awareness already tell him the answer?)

Originally posted by Odekahn

1 that doesn't work.

Originally posted by Odekahn

1 that that shows surfer detecting life in a universe (which Superman could easily do with super hearing and vision) that had nothing to do with combat.

JL wins in a stomp.

Originally posted by Brockalizer

Now you're just splitting hairs. Cosmic senses and cosmic awareness are the same thing.

The purpose of that scan wasn't to illustrate Surfer's cosmic awareness. The purpose was to illustrate that Surfer uses the knowledge he has acquired to exploit an adversaries weakness.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Prove what, that Surfer doesn't enter into battle with his senses? That's like saying "show me proof that Surfer starts a battle with his eyes and ears open".

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1220/spidermanteamup0204jb9.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7687/silversurfer0214dr7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6421/fantasticfour07611fe5.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The Gladiator scan shows that. Surfer didn't say that he learned about or heard about Gladiators weakness from a third party, he said that he KNOWS what it is.

The purpose of the scan was to show that Surfer's senses allow him to detect different lifeforms by their heartbeat, even when they are disguised.

That is a scan of Galactus talking about Surfer's superior tracking ability. Where does that tracking ability come from? Unless there is proof somewhere that Norrin Radd was a superior tracker before becoming a herald it is only logical to assume that that tracking ability is due to his CA.

So what? Super hearing and super sight are only two senses. Surfer has displayed the ability to see the invisible, track particles of dust on the other side of the universe and detect energy signatures ANYWHERE in the universe.

I see a whole lot of wishful speculation and absolutely nothing that suggests its within Surfer's character to routinely begin a battle detecting and exploiting an opponents weakness to its fullest. I don't see a single representation of what you are claiming would happen to Superman. And you want to say Surfer is far more likely to do this than Superman is to speed blitz?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer's cosmic senses=/=cosmic awareness. Surfer isn't genis. His cosmic awareness isn't always on otherwise he would go mad.

There is not a single scan here which uses "cosmic awareness" explicitly. And 😂 @ gladiator scan being used again, guess those skrulls in FF 250 and hulk have cosmic awareness too. Also a huge facepalm @ tracking ability being used as cosmic awareness. Do you even know what cosmic awareness is? This is even worse than your namor beats doomsday thread.

Originally posted by JBL
Surfer DOES have cosmic awareness and has used it in comics, stop trying to create excuses for superman.... i mean the JLA 🙄 to win. Any ability a foe has that would rape superman.. i mean the JLA 🙄 , you try with all your might to discredit. Cosmic Awareness is one of surfers powers. Just because you fear it for supermans..... i mean the JLA 🙄 sake, does not in any way, shape, form or fashion negate that ability of surfer. On that day you accept that superman, thats right.... superman is not the god you WANT him to be and that he can be rape stomped by PLENTY of characters, your credibility MIGHT return on this forum. But i fear that you are too far gone. I like you, i admire your devotion to superman, i like him to, but you go too far and dip into the pot of lies when it comes to superman. Return to the way you were when you first started reading about superman and TRULY learn the character, NOT what YOU want him to be, and you will be just fine and a hell of a debater. I say this out of respect for you because you seem like a good person.

Also lulz @ this rant. This isn't CBR where you have to prove your allegiance by saying everybody from marvel stomps superman. Superman isn't unbeatable, there are plenty of beings who can beat him. Surfer isn't one of them though and neither is gladiator for much of your sorrow. Now weep.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Roll your eyes some more and they would fall out of your head. Nobody is saying surfer doesn't have cosmic awareness, he just doesn't uses it in the fights.

Also lulz @ this rant. This isn't CBR where you have to prove your allegiance by saying everybody from marvel stomps superman. Superman isn't unbeatable, there are plenty of beings who can beat him. Surfer isn't one of them though and neither is gladiator for much of your sorrow. Now weep.

Originally posted by JBL
Such a waste. Surfer would stomp superman and so would gladiator, hyperion, Sentry, Supreme, WBH, Kurse, WWH, Black Adam, classic Nafaria, King Hyperion and a host of others. Tissue is not far away dude, use it.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Roll your eyes some more and they would fall out of your head. Nobody is saying surfer doesn't have cosmic awareness, he just doesn't uses it in the fights.

Also lulz @ this rant. This isn't CBR where you have to prove your allegiance by saying everybody from marvel stomps superman. Superman isn't unbeatable, there are plenty of beings who can beat him. Surfer isn't one of them though and neither is gladiator for much of your sorrow. Now weep.

Give 5 that can beat Superman, in his own tier then?

Give me a list plz?

Originally posted by Supermex
Give 5 that can beat Superman?

Give me a list plz?

Five Heralds....He would admit that NONE of them can beat him.

He will admit that a Skyfather would pull a majority though.

Originally posted by JBL
Such a waste. Surfer would stomp superman and so would gladiator, hyperion, Sentry, Supreme, WBH, Kurse, WWH, Black Adam, classic Nafaria, King Hyperion and a host of others. Tissue is not far away dude, use it.

Superman> Silver Surfer
Superman> Gladiator
Superman> World War Hulk( The easiest of the bunch)
Superman> Black Adam
Superman> Count Nefaria( Superman isn't Thor and doesn't get put down)
Superman> Kurse

Sentry, Hyperion, King Hyperion( Huge question mark) and arguably Kurse.

The rest the S definitively wins.