Doomsday vs Mangog

Originally posted by h1a8
Thank you Rage. You are a true debater. Others refuse to debate and back up there arguments. They don't mention feats or showings.

Brainiac DD is not the same as HP DD because of mind tampering. In the Rex saga it was explained that DD's mindset is what fuels his powers. And DD seemingly made quick work of her.

Although the energy beam feat is impressive as hell DD has an even more impressive one in the OB. But I don't quite equate energy projection with blunt force or cutting force. DD can cut, rip, and stab.

Yes he was. That was the exact same body as Hunter Prey's. Pretty sure it was made very clear that he was just as strong. Doomsday Rex was a clone from Doomsday's original body IIRC and he became so vulnerable because he started feeling fear.

It should be noted, Mangog wasn't even slowed down, while I'd argue the Omega Beams temporarily knocked out Doomsday.

Superman has tanked blasts from the Qwadrian void hound which ripped apart stars and it was even stated in the same page.

Superman takes several attacks from it and was still going strong.

Superman is as durable as Mangog.

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But when Superman is faced by characters as powerful or nearly as powerful as Mangog on average, he takes a dive. Only in the more rare cases is he seen to be on par with someone like Mangog on average which is not good enough, because characters in Superman tier have also tanked forces capable of destroying stars. Thor for example has tanked similar forces like blasts meant to destroy large portions of the universe, and yet Mangog is clearly above him physically.

Originally posted by Stoic
But when Superman is faced by characters as powerful or nearly as powerful as Mangog on average, he takes a dive. Only in the more rare cases is he seen to be on par with someone like Mangog on average which is not good enough, because characters in Superman tier have also tanked forces capable of destroying stars. Thor for example has tanked similar forces like blasts meant to destroy large portions of the universe, and yet Mangog is clearly above him physically.

^ Rage will know. I don't recall the correct issue. however it was around the time that Thor cracked open the Celestial.

Originally posted by Stoic
^ Rage will know. I don't recall the correct issue. however it was around the time that Thor cracked open the Celestial.

Thor didn't tank the attack...Mjlonir absorbed said energies. The blast was going to wipe out 1/5 of the universe.

Then how did he die carter?

Looks like most of those characters were taking what Superman did in those scans. It appeared only Green Lantern got KO'd, but i'm not sure.

Only superman and cap took the blasts and remain conscious. Diana blocked it with her bracers and PG and John were KOED. It still changes nothing about Void hound tearing apart stars and destroying planets, maybe DC characters are just that durable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only superman and cap took the blasts and remain conscious. Diana blocked it with her bracers and PG and John were KOED. It still changes nothing about Void hound tearing apart stars and destroying planets, maybe DC characters are just that durable.

Ok, I dont know what happened after those scans and i'm not downplaying the feat. I wasnt sure who was KO'd or not, it just looked like Captain Marvel, Barda, Orion, and PG were all taking the blasts too. Again, I wasnt sure.

Originally posted by tkitna
Ok, I dont know what happened after those scans and i'm not downplaying the feat. I wasnt sure who was KO'd or not, it just looked like Captain Marvel, Barda, Orion, and PG were all taking the blasts too. Again, I wasnt sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then how did he die carter?

Originally posted by tkitna
Looks like most of those characters were taking what Superman did in those scans. It appeared only Green Lantern got KO'd, but i'm not sure.

Captain Marvel withstood an attack from the ship that would have killed any of the league. If anyone get praise for withstanding attacks from the ship, it should be Captain Marvel (the guy was turned inside out). The attacks in the beginning wasn't full power blasts, that's why all of them was still alive after it...Captain Marvel took the most powerful attack that ship had.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes he was. That was the exact same body as Hunter Prey's. Pretty sure it was made very clear that he was just as strong. Doomsday Rex was a clone from Doomsday's original body IIRC and he became so vulnerable because he started feeling fear.

It should be noted, Mangog wasn't even slowed down, while I'd argue the Omega Beams temporarily knocked out Doomsday.

I know Mangog has hella durability and it is very difficult to injure him. But DD has penetrated Superman at times like he was made of water. I don't believe Mangog is orders of magnitude more durable than Superman given both their feats. It's more than fair to say that DD can damage Mangog.

DD has a instant healing factor. So any damage done would just be instantly healed. That means Mangog would not make any progress as long as DD is fighting back. Plus DD has on the fly evolving abilities to become tougher and more resistant as the fight progress. This is a good fight. Due to HF, speed, and on the fly adapting I go with DD here. Otherwise Mangog would probably win (although Im not convinced with his strength).

Originally posted by h1a8
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I know Mangog has hella durability and it is very difficult to injure him. But DD has penetrated Superman at times like he was made of water.

Why wouldn't it also make sense that Superman was jobbing? Particularly as we have never seen anything (apart from mystical of course) ever do the same?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why wouldn't it also make sense that Superman was jobbing? Particularly as we have never seen anything (apart from mystical of course) ever do the same?

It's only PIS or jobbing when it help h1a8's argument.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why wouldn't it also make sense that Superman was jobbing? Particularly as we have never seen anything (apart from mystical of course) ever do the same?

Well DD other feats validate him. He has a history of penetrating Superman since his conception. Sometimes it takes outside feats or other feats to validate a claim or argue PIS or against PIS.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He's referring to the Death-powered Null Bombs.

There was no holding back and those were full powered attack. Carter doesn't know what he's talking about as usual.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's only PIS or jobbing when it help h1a8's argument.