Ryu fighting thugs. He dodges bullets with ease and hits his opponent, causing a kinetic burst that spins the enemy to the ground.
4:20 just chose to watch the fight on youtube.
Seriously? Midnighter fights guys like Jack Hawksmore, he has a retarded regeneration, can play any scenario in his head, is fast enough to baffle speedsters, can kick a tank shell back to the tank that fired it, can rip railroad tracks off the hinges and use them as weapons, can survive getting kicked through several buildings without getting injured, can hit hard enough to hurt guys like Apollo and Hellstrike, he can spit out his own teeth as if they were high caliber bullets
Ryu has no chance here.
At the end Ryu stands tall as this song slowly plays as he starts to walk into the distance as the credits roll and it shows a montage of Ryu fighting opponents and training.
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Originally posted by the ninjakIf that's the best Ryu's got then he's going to die in a few seconds
Ryu fighting thugs. He dodges bullets with ease and hits his opponent, causing a kinetic burst that spins the enemy to the ground.4:20 just chose to watch the fight on youtube.
Originally posted by Impediment
Midnighter's battle computer can calculate a million different match outcomes.Pretty sure Mid could dodge a hadoken blast.
Mid still gets hit by foes, even non-superfast ones. Predicting match outcomes =/= avoiding everything. He just tries to pick the best outcome he can, like, "Ok, I can't avoid that one, but if I brace I'll be in position for a counter...".
Midnighter fights guys like Jack Hawksmore,
Jack isn't exactly all that crazy powerful physically either by these standards. Especially since most of those fights are outside of big cities.
can rip railroad tracks off the hinges and use them as weapons, can survive getting kicked through several buildings without getting injured,
Yea, these aren't actually things that are unusual for SF characters, or that Ryu would have trouble dealing with.
I did mention the 'carry around a multi-ton bolder while walking for miles, while having his strength drained' thing, and that's much harder than using a railroad track as a weapon.
Balrog uses punching bags full of cement blocks and once killed an elephant with a singe punch. Ryu's taken repeated punches from him no problem. Ryu's been kicked into solid rock hard enough that the rock breaks and leaves a small crater, and been uninjured.
And for other people in the universe- Rose knocked Bison into a 5+ floor office building so hard the entire thing collapsed on him. Bison emerged unscathed.
Originally posted by Q99Midnighter gets hit alot because he enjoys fighting and toys around with alot of his opponents, when his entire team was getting schooled by Impeteus who's a speedster he ended the move in one hit.
Mid still gets hit by foes, even non-superfast ones. Predicting match outcomes =/= avoiding everything. He just tries to pick the best outcome he can, like, "Ok, I can't avoid that one, but if I brace I'll be in position for a counter...".Jack isn't exactly all that crazy powerful physically either by these standards. Especially since most of those fights are outside of big cities.
Yea, these aren't actually things that are unusual for SF characters, or that Ryu would have trouble dealing with.
I did mention the 'carry around a multi-ton bolder while walking for miles, while having his strength drained' thing, and that's much harder than using a railroad track as a weapon.
Balrog uses punching bags full of cement blocks and once killed an elephant with a singe punch. Ryu's taken repeated punches from him no problem. Ryu's been kicked into solid rock hard enough that the rock breaks and leaves a small crater, and been uninjured.
And for other people in the universe- Rose knocked Bison into a 5+ floor office building so hard the entire thing collapsed on him. Bison emerged unscathed.
That isn't to say that it's impossible for someone to hit Midnighter, but even if that happened he still has a retardedly OP regeneration.
Jack Hawksmoore fighting outside of a city is irrelevant here, because even at his weakest Hawksmoore is still multitudes more powerful than anyone in Street Fighter is or that Ryu has faced.
Balrog killing an elephant compares to Midnighter hurting guys like Apollo and Hawksmoore? It doesn't.
Ryu getting knocked into solid rock compares to Midnighter getting knocked hundreds of yards across a land scape thorugh multiple buildings without getting injured? Again it doesn't.
At the very best you've proven that Ryu may have greater lifting strength than Midnighter does, in terms of everything else he's outclassed, especially in terms of speed, durability and striking power. Ryu would also have an advantage in energy projection but Midnighter doesn't have energy based attacks so it's moot.
And this isn't even considering his battle computer either. Based on the feats presented Midnighter wins based on physical prowess alone.
Yes, Ingrid, or the Fighter's Evolution versions of Rose and Akuma (Rose: Captured Pyron, world threatened danger, into a playing card. Akuma: Destroyed a giant meteor by kicking it),
Midnighter gets hit alot because he enjoys fighting and toys around with alot of his opponents, when his entire team was getting schooled by Impeteus who's a speedster he ended the move in one hit.
And when fighting Regus he had no reason to toy around and was still getting hit. People who he has no reason to let hit him score blows on occasion.
The thing about a lot of speedsters is, if you can predict them, they're often pretty easy, their own momentum means they go down fast. It's not the same as mixing it up in HtH with a skilled foe who'll adjust to the attacks against them in response.
Jack Hawksmoore fighting outside of a city is irrelevant here, because even at his weakest Hawksmoore is still multitudes more powerful than anyone in Street Fighter is or that Ryu has faced.
What? Jack is not all that physically strong. Multi-ton class, sure, but he's not as strong as, say, Spider-man, physically speaking.
Charlie's dealt more to him... and come to think of it, I mentioned Rose dishing and Bison shrugging more damage than Jack could do physically, with the 'hitting so hard into a large building it collapses' thing. Jack has never done anything like that.
Ryu getting knocked into solid rock compares to Midnighter getting knocked hundreds of yards across a land scape thorugh multiple buildings without getting injured? Again it doesn't.
Indeed, Ryu's is better. You see, when you're thrown a far distance, and go through a couple weak barriers in the way, the impact is spread out. A solid sudden stop has all the energy hitting at once.
And hey, remember the example I gave of a drained Ryu getting into a fight with another fighting and destroying some buildings? He was both knocked through, and knocked his foe through, several buildings.
It's a completely average, low-level feat here. If Midnighter *couldn't* do that, then it wouldn't even be a fight.
in terms of everything else he's outclassed, especially in terms of speed, durability and striking power.
I think you're just underrating (or heck, flat-out brushing off) the SF feats being present to you. The durability and striking power pretty easily go to SF.
Ryu would also have an advantage in energy projection but Midnighter doesn't have energy based attacks so it's moot.
Or rather, a 'clear advantage for Ryu'. And do remember Ryu can put his energy *inside* his fits for the shoryuken.
Like, you know Sagat? Ryu's rival? He's taken an AK-47 burst to the chest and just flexed his muscles to make the bullets pop out, they might as well have been BBs. Sagat has a giant scar that hospitalized him from when Ryu unleashed a full-power shoryuken.
And this isn't even considering his battle computer either.
I'm pretty sure Zealot fought him on even terms once, battle computer and all. The battle computer is far from an instant win against a highly skilled superhuman foe.
"Ryu has better energy projection, but since Midnighter doesn't actually have any energy projection, the point is moot".
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T51U8uQFrQo
45 seconds in. Chun-Li, someone Ryu has fought and defeated, dealt that much damage. Ryu has also fought and injured more powerful versions of the Bison that tanked that attack.
Originally posted by NemeBro
45 seconds in. Chun-Li, someone Ryu has fought and defeated, dealt that much damage.
Oddly I can't remember the two of them fighting each other directly... though their shows against other characters do show Ryu's a tier higher than the other good guys like Chun, Guile, and even Ken in any case. Good example, and a direct usable source.