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Originally posted by Q99
That one actually happened.
You seem to be suggesting Anakin would always lose to ROTS Kenobi. That was only mind phucked Sith Anakin who lost to Kenobi after a pretty damn long and even fight.
The fact is Jedi Skywalker is a much more powerful combatant than Kenobi, a peer to Count Dooku in fact.
Btw TCW Maul has never outright been defeated by late CW Kenobi. In fact I'm not even sure Ventress has and their last fight had Ventress seriously embarrassing Kenobi. Although you could argue their last fight was Early-Mid CW(not including Obsession).
As for Bulq given the fight he put up against Mace, I don't see Kenobi stomping him by a long shot. He knows Vapaad, he's a master of every form I believe. He can hold his own against Mace for a short time. He has a lot going for him. (But then so does Kenobi).
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sora's going to jump at Kenobi with no defenses up in a mad rage, and end up cut in two.
Yeah...except that didint happen against Windu...
Im leaning towards Bulq. He held his own Vs Windu before losing, was a master of all 7forms of lightsaber combat, was the leader of Dookus acolytes (chosen over Ventress and Tol Skorr etc meaning Bulq>Ventress), PWNED Tholme and Quinlan Vos, and was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors in the history of the order.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You seem to be suggesting Anakin would always lose to ROTS Kenobi. That was only mind phucked Sith Anakin who lost to Kenobi after a pretty damn long and even fight.
He fought just fine and beat some of the strongest of the order, including Cin Drallig and Shaak Ti soon after each other (and shortly after the Obi-wan fight he got handicapped and *still* beat groups of Jedi Masters)- I think at *least* as much of that win has to be credited to Kenobi being more serious and focused than ever before than whatever was going on in Anakin's head, because Sith Anakin still rolled everyone else he went up against, he was *not* that disadvantaged.
Btw TCW Maul has never outright been defeated by late CW Kenobi.
No, but their last battle involved Kenobi doing well against Maul and Opress at the same time.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Evidence of "mind phucked" claim?
I believe it's Rise of Darth Vader which states he was "between worlds" at that time. And Lucas states him having regrets in the ROTS commentray. Plus you know, him crying when mudering the sepratists. I don't remember Palpatine crying or having regrets when he murdered Fisto/Tiin/Kolar and Mace.
Originally posted by Q99
He fought just fine and beat some of the strongest of the order, including Cin Drallig and Shaak Ti soon after each other (and shortly after the Obi-wan fight he got handicapped and *still* beat groups of Jedi Masters)- I think at *least* as much of that win has to be credited to Kenobi being more serious and focused than ever before than whatever was going on in Anakin's head, because Sith Anakin still rolled everyone else he went up against, he was *not* that disadvantaged.No, but their last battle involved Kenobi doing well against Maul and Opress at the same time.
I agree beating Sith Anakin and holding his own against Maul/Opress were both great feats for Kenobi. Awesome feats in fact.
I just disagree with your assessment that he will beat anyone whose not Yoda, Sids, Dooku or Mace.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I agree beating Sith Anakin and holding his own against Maul/Opress were both great feats for Kenobi. Awesome feats in fact.I just disagree with your assessment that he will beat anyone whose not Yoda, Sids, Dooku or Mace.
Well, I don't think anyone who's not Yoda, Sids, Dooku, or Mace in the CWs could reproduce those feats.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, I don't think anyone who's not Yoda, Sids, Dooku, or Mace in the CWs could reproduce those feats.
So you don't think Skywalker can defeat Kenobi? Really? It's Kenobi who can not hope to reproduce Skywalker's feat of defeating Dooku.
As for the holding off Maul and Opress, Ventress has done that before against Skywalker and Kenobi. She even had Kenobi defeated(via KO) at one point while fighting off Skywalker. Opress has also taken on and force waved Kenobi and Skywalker around..
This despite Skywalker being much more powerful than Maul or Opress.
And I doubt it would be beyond Maul wielding Jar Kai to engage both Kenobi and say Ventress and possibly defeat Ventress in the process. Especially if it's a peak performance for him, like it clearly was for Kenobi.
So you don't think Skywalker can defeat Kenobi? Really?
Anakin fought Kenobi and lost. Skywalker may be able to win, but Kenobi had his number, and his performance before and after shows he was not particularly crippled by falling to the dark side.
It's Kenobi who can not hope to reproduce Skywalker's feat of defeating Dooku.
Perhaps, but Kenobi beat the guy who solidly beat Dooku.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I believe it's Rise of Darth Vader which states he was "between worlds" at that time. And Lucas states him having regrets in the ROTS commentray. Plus you know, him crying when mudering the sepratists. I don't remember Palpatine crying or having regrets when he murdered Fisto/Tiin/Kolar and Mace.
Vader may have been conflicted for a while after betraying the Jedi but his reaction to Obi-Wan and Padme suggests that he had finally come to terms with his dark side alignment.
SWTUVG affirms that Vader was hell-bent on attempting to kill Obi-Wan. The latter won after emotionally detaching from the former.
Originally posted by Q99
Anakin fought Kenobi and lost. Skywalker may be able to win, but Kenobi had his number, and his performance before and after shows he was not particularly crippled by falling to the dark side.
He stalemated Skywalker in a force push. Dooku owned Kenobi with the Force so hard it was ridiculous. So clearly the Anakin who stalemated Kenobi in the Force was not operating on the same level as when he made Dooku's force powers "useless."
Originally posted by Q99
Perhaps, but Kenobi beat the guy who solidly beat Dooku.
There's no perhaps about it. Kenobi could not ever hope to match Dooku even on his best day. The stomping he received from the Count was just too severe.
Skywalker solidly beating Dooku really puts him leagues above Kenobi.
