Exar Kun vs Darth Vader

Started by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ6 pages

Yes, legend at least has some form of common sense, and at least attempts to back up his ideas.

Originally posted by msparks92817
I can't see what Legend writes, hence why I never respond to him. So I called exposed someone's PT bias and you called me out for exposing someone's PT bias, thereby exposing your own PT bias. Looks like I win.

lolwut?

I called you out for your own bias, not for calling out Intrepid's. And since I haven't said either way who wins, I can't be called out for any bias.

I win 🙂

Funny how you ignore Legend's posts but not Intrepid. I guess Legend really is dumber.

I put Intrepid on ignore as well, or did you miss that part?🙂

Originally posted by msparks92817
I put Intrepid on ignore as well, or did you miss that part?🙂

Nope, I didn't miss it. I get a text message from KMC every time you add or subtract to your Ignore List.

That was sarcasm, I actually don't. 🙂

Vader takes this. All Kun really has is his blasts, but really Vader has done much more impressive things with simple force pushes and TK. Vader also has made his own personal Djem So, which is like a union of all the saber forms. He stalemated Maul Doppleganger, who was the best Double bladed duelist, at least on par with Kun. And that was before his prime.

Exar Kun freezing the senate and draining the Massassi race shits over anything Vader's ever done with The Force, in sheer scale at least.

Both were used via Sith magic, which isn't using one's power. It's basically calling the will of the Dark side on whatever you desire, and then call out an incantation which will cause a chain reaction on what you desire. Freezing the senate didn't freeze the Jedi there, and that ritual with the Massassi took tons of prep, and both aren't usable in combat from what we've seen. Vader has thrown around V-wings, blasted through stone walls and blast doors, tanked bombs exploding on him at point-blank range, bringing down a cathedral unto himself and surviving it, and lifting huge droids and pretty much crushing them. And in one comic was outside of an Imperial star destroyer and deflected turbolaser fire from TIE fighters casually.

Wait, sith magic isn't using one's power? What kind of awful rationalization is that? Vader really has nothing impressive enough that could take down a powerhouse like Kun.

No it isn't. It uses incantations to summon the dark side into an area or object. Meaning Keto if she tried to use a direct force power like lightning wouldn't turn people into skeletons, that's stuff like Sidious and Vitiate level. And Vader has loads more impressive feats than Kun, all Kun has is blasting through the Massassi temple, while Vader brought down a whole cathedral.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Both were used via Sith magic, which isn't using one's power.

Um, proof of that? In RoT Zannah uses sorcery to shatter a womans mind and she says the spell is exhausting, definitely indicating magic draws on the users power the same as any other Force attack.

Sith Magic makes people explode stars, summon tendrils that can vaporize any forms of matter, etc. It's exhausting on ones mental state, not their own force reserves. That's the reason why Aleema made 10 stars go Supernova, since she didn't finish the spell until it killed her. Unless Zannah can with her lightning vaporize matter like she can with her tendrils.

She vaporised her cousins arm at the start of RoT.

I'm still not seeing proof.

And Bane says Sith Magic is the ultimate skill and power of the darkside. So using your logic, anyone who is a master of sith magic is a powerhouse.

How exactly does Kun win? Inventing his own saber style? Well Vader practically did the same thing. Through his amulet blasts? Doubt it, as Vader has easily dodged/evaded blaster bolts, so unless someone can prove that Kun's blasts travel faster than blaster bolts, then I don't see how this is an automatic win for Kun. Besides, Vader can tank an awful amount of damage.

Force seems to be in Vader's favor considering his destructive TK feats. The only thing Kun has on Vader is his sorcery, but I've yet to see anyone explain how Kun wins through sorcery.

My post is for someone other than mikequeer. I don't feel like going back and forth with an idiot who argues stuff like "nuh uh Kun's powerful, he'd stomp Vader. You're a PT fanboy, and I destroyed your arguments. nuh uh I know you are but what am I?"

That's ok, we're all aware of your continued stupidity and that is why most people gloss over your posts, but thanks for amusing us on this rather boring Saturday night.

Also, please continue the entertainment by telling us how exactly Vader wins. Probably should be better than "LOLZ Vader destructive TK feats!"

Sidious provided reasons, not evidence. That's still a great deal more than you've brought to the table other than rabid bias.

Saying 'The only thing Kun has on Vader is his sorcery, but I've yet to see anyone explain how Kun wins through sorcery.' Does not indicate a reason or a rationalization, but your continued responses to me and nobody else shows your bias as well.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
How exactly does Kun win? Inventing his own saber style? Well Vader practically did the same thing. Through his amulet blasts? Doubt it, as Vader has easily dodged/evaded blaster bolts, so unless someone can prove that Kun's blasts travel faster than blaster bolts, then I don't see how this is an automatic win for Kun. Besides, Vader can tank an awful amount of damage.

Force seems to be in Vader's favor considering his destructive TK feats. The only thing Kun has on Vader is his sorcery, but I've yet to see anyone explain how Kun wins through sorcery.

Exar did freeze the senate with the force, which was pretty impressive. And he's got better aim than most blaster users- it's not just about the speed of the bolt, so much as him having strong force precog. It's not a sure win but it certainly helps.

And aside from inventing his saber style, he is the best saber monkey of the time frame. There were 2~3 other people who were capable of giving him a challenge, but his performance was very high. His master was one of the most renouned duelists of the time and Exar beat him twice (the first time only once he had two sabers, but still).

That all said... I think he's a tough challenge, even a legit threat who has a chance on a good day, but I do think Vader holds the advantage and'll probably win.

He asserted that Vader wins due to comparable swordsmanship and generally superior Force powers. Not evidence, but at least a reason.

All you've offered are a bunch of knee jerk reactions, hissing and frothing at anyone who would dare claim Vader would win.

As far as me calling you out goes, I'm treating you like you're treating everyone else. At least I'm courteous to leave out insults.

But it's time to prove up or shut up.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Through his amulet blasts? Doubt it, as Vader has easily dodged/evaded blaster bolts, so unless someone can prove that Kun's blasts travel faster than blaster bolts, then I don't see how this is an automatic win for Kun.

The blasts are quite a bit larger than a blaster bolt and its different dodging shots from non-force sensitives to trying to dodge an attack from an extremely powerful Sith Lord when the Force guides his aim and his reflexes are increased dramatically.

I seriously don't see Vader dodging them. And if he does not for long. He's too cumbersome.