Starbrand Vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by zopzop
Stoic....no.

You realize that the Starbrand's claim to fame is it's "planet busting" status right? Despite the fact that it hasn't done anything REMOTELY that impressive on panel feat wise.

Taking hits from Hulk/Hyperion/Thor is nice and all but you should remember they weren't going all out vs a freaking COLLEGE STUDENT.

The Surfer has busted planets (individually and shared), displayed planetary level TP, planetary level matter manipulation, time traveled under his own power (both forwards and backwards and he's used it offensively in battle when he BFRed an opponent into the distant future), created black holes, raised the dead, etc...

Show me ANYTHING current Starbrand has done that even approaches that and then we'll talk (remember Ellis/Hickman retconned everything relating to the Starbrand, so current Starbrand is the ONLY thing you can go by).

A PISless/CISless Surfer would push current Starbrand's shit in. Enjoy that black hole in your chest cavity Starbrand. 😆

Wow Stoic what did I tell you. Zopzop you have officially lost all credibility by flaunting your apparent bias towards surfer. And you are saying that the starbrand has done nothing impressive on panel yet? Umm he is relatively new so of coarse not, and he is a tool needed in a large event when a threat faces the protagonist that it too much for them. In essence the star brands sole purpose to be a protector on a universal scale so the character was solely created to be above all heralds. According to you it seems as if surfer is a trans being. And when I told stoic you would probably say surfer stomps I was kidding because I did not think someone would be that foolish enough to say something like that.

Surfer wins by feats,... Unless you lowball him.

Starbrand has looked better than Capt. Marvel, so he is being hyped up on here.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Wow Stoic what did I tell you. Zopzop you have officially lost all credibility by flaunting your apparent bias towards surfer. And you are saying that the starbrand has done nothing impressive on panel yet? Umm he is relatively new so of coarse not, and he is a tool needed in a large event when a threat faces the protagonist that it too much for them. In essence the star brands sole purpose to be a protector on a universal scale so the character was solely created to be above all heralds. According to you it seems as if surfer is a trans being. And when I told stoic you would probably say surfer stomps I was kidding because I did not think someone would be that foolish enough to say something like that.

I'm sorry I find it very hard to believe that a character who was handling an entire avengers squad including 3 of the most powerful heralds in marvel, who were trying their best to neutralize him when he wasn't even trying to be beneath surfer. Surfer couldn't even do that in his dreams. One of those heralds alone can give him a solid match. It's one thing to have greater feats than a character which the surfer has over star brand, but its another thing for a new character to be solely created for the purpose of being above everyone else for a specific reason. But I am done talking about this only time will tell how this story unravels.

Did you read that comic?

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
I'm sorry I find it very hard to believe that a character who was handling an entire avengers squad including 3 of the most powerful heralds in marvel, who were trying their best to neutralize him when he wasn't even trying to be beneath surfer. Surfer couldn't even do that in his dreams. One of those heralds alone can give him a solid match. It's one thing to have greater feats than a character which the surfer has over star brand, but its another thing for a new character to be solely created for the purpose of being above everyone else for a specific reason. But I am done talking about this only time will tell how this story unravels.

And the trio were holding back because they knew he was young and not really evil, just confused.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor alone got the better of Norrin in their most recent encounter.

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Thor the Hulk, and Hyperion would destroy the Silver Surfer if you consider the idea that Thor alone got the better of Norrin in their most recent encounter. Thor hit the Starbrand, and he said that he barely even felt it. What would you call him? [/B]

Thor most certainly did not "get the better of Norrin" in their last encounter. The Surfer basically fought Thor to a draw using nothing but strength, EP and his board. He stopped Mjolnir mid-swing and took all of Thor's shots without missing a beat.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Thor most certainly did not "get the better of Norrin" in their last encounter. The Surfer basically fought Thor to a draw using nothing but strength, EP and his board. He stopped Mjolnir mid-swing and took all of Thor's shots without missing a beat.

What is your point here? My point was that it was more than just Thor going at the Brand user, and only Thor was needed or is needed to leave the Surfer with his hands more than filled. The brand was able to easily dispatch not only Thor, but the Hulk, and Hyperion. These three would put a beating on the Surfer in less time that it took me to write this. It's clear as day what the writers intended for the Starbrand to be in terms of raw power, and he is above the likes of a High Herald like the Silver Surfer. Even Zop who has decided to vote for the Surfer in this very thread has mentioned that the Brand is at least trans level in posts before this thread began. Which is a direct contradiction to what he is claiming now. The Surfer is a High herald, and from what I know, the Trans tier trumps High herald by a country mile.

Originally posted by Stoic
What is your point here? My point was that it was more than just Thor going at the Brand user, and only Thor was needed or is needed to leave the Surfer with his hands more than filled. The brand was able to easily dispatch not only Thor, but the Hulk, and Hyperion. These three would put a beating on the Surfer in less time that it took me to write this. It's clear as day what the writers intended for the Starbrand to be in terms of raw power, and he is above the likes of a High Herald like the Silver Surfer. Even Zop who has decided to vote for the Surfer in this very thread has mentioned that the Brand is at least trans level in posts before this thread began. Which is a direct contradiction to what he is claiming now. The Surfer is a High herald, and from what I know, the Trans tier trumps High herald by a country mile.

Those three were going easy on the freaking COLLEGE KID. If that trio was playing around with Surfer like that, they'd get schooled just the same. And even then what did the Starbrand do? BRFed Hulk, BFD. Made Hyperion cry out in pain, BFD. Did NOTHING to Thor except singe his clothing, BFD. 🙄

Originally posted by Stoic
What is your point here? My point was that it was more than just Thor going at the Brand user, and only Thor was needed or is needed to leave the Surfer with his hands more than filled. The brand was able to easily dispatch not only Thor, but the Hulk, and Hyperion. These three would put a beating on the Surfer in less time that it took me to write this. It's clear as day what the writers intended for the Starbrand to be in terms of raw power, and he is above the likes of a High Herald like the Silver Surfer. Even Zop who has decided to vote for the Surfer in this very thread has mentioned that the Brand is at least trans level in posts before this thread began. Which is a direct contradiction to what he is claiming now. The Surfer is a High herald, and from what I know, the Trans tier trumps High herald by a country mile.

This is exactly what I have been saying. But stoic don't waste your breathe, according to zop Surfer is a sky father who can never lose and he will never be convinced otherwise.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
This is exactly what I have been saying. But stoic don't waste your breathe, according to zop Surfer is a sky father who can never lose and he will never be convinced otherwise.

All I said is, he's not losing to this feeb. He has way more showings aka experience and his on panel fights and feats sh|t all over Ellis/Hickman's Starbrand.

Now instead of acting like a child, how about you post on panel evidence supporting your position. I gave you examples of crap Surfer has done.

Again, nothing was stated about the Avengers holding back against the Brand. The guy just killed numerous of humans during his retreaval of the Starbrand (by mistake), so I see no reason they would hold back.

Originally posted by Stoic
What is your point here? My point was that it was more than just Thor going at the Brand user, and only Thor was needed or is needed to leave the Surfer with his hands more than filled. The brand was able to easily dispatch not only Thor, but the Hulk, and Hyperion. These three would put a beating on the Surfer in less time that it took me to write this. It's clear as day what the writers intended for the Starbrand to be in terms of raw power, and he is above the likes of a High Herald like the Silver Surfer. Even Zop who has decided to vote for the Surfer in this very thread has mentioned that the Brand is at least trans level in posts before this thread began. Which is a direct contradiction to what he is claiming now. The Surfer is a High herald, and from what I know, the Trans tier trumps High herald by a country mile.

The point was that you lied and I decided to call you on it. I never said anything about who wins between the Surfer and the Starbrand. Also, the Surfer would certainly beat either Hyperion or the Hulk for a majority but not both together.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
This is exactly what I have been saying. But stoic don't waste your breathe, according to zop Surfer is a sky father who can never lose and he will never be convinced otherwise.

The Surfer isn't skyfather level. He just has an unmatched array of high-level powers in his class.

Originally posted by zopzop
That was me being generous. So far it's done NOTHING to lay claim to the Trans Tier title.

Those three were going easy on the freaking COLLEGE KID. If that trio was playing around with Surfer like that, they'd get schooled just the same. And even then what did the Starbrand do? BRFed Hulk, BFD. Made Hyperion cry out in pain, BFD. Did NOTHING to Thor except singe his clothing, BFD. 🙄

When Carol Danver's threw the Hulk from space aimed towards the Brand this was not him or her playing around, he hit the Brand with a shit ton of damage, and it did nothing to him. Thor was not playing with him when he tossed Mjolnir at him either. The kid barely grunted at the impacts, and this was before he even knew what the Brand was, or how to properly use it. I told you before that you would need to wait and see what and how powerful the Brand has been retconned to. This was way back when you began saying that it's been heavily reduced. So far I don't see anything that points to it being that weak. What I see is an inexperienced, and doubtful wielder of it's immense power.

What would happen if the Brand defeats Thanos all on his own? Will he still be less than Norrin in your eyes? Like I said, let's wait and see. My post before this one was in reply to Dampyre. I'd nearly given up on this thread, because it is simply too early to give a solid answer on who would really dominate. However the Brand was able to hold off 3 characters that would wipe the floor with Norrin, and do it with ease. He's fallen to far less than Thor, Hulk, and Hyperion, with a splash of Captain Marvel.

Did you also take into account that the Brand was playing with them? They were far more serious about taking him down than he was about taking them down. Let's just see how it unfolds though.

Meh the Avengers said they knew the Starbrand user wasnt in control of the power at his disposal having said that they didnt go easy on him they wanted to put him down.

Originally posted by Dampyre
The point was that you lied and I decided to call you on it. I never said anything about who wins between the Surfer and the Starbrand. Also, the Surfer would certainly beat either Hyperion or the Hulk for a majority but not both together.

I lied about the Thor vs Surfer battle? In my eyes Thor got the better of the fight slightly, if I was judging the fight. You know why there are several judges for boxing matches? Because everyone has an opinion. So no I didn't lie, I gave my opinion. You think that they were dead even. Should I call you a liar based on your opinion of the fight?

Originally posted by Stoic
When Carol Danver's threw the Hulk from space aimed towards the Brand this was not him or her playing around, he hit the Brand with a shit ton of damage, and it did nothing to him. Thor was not playing with him when he tossed Mjolnir at him either. The kid barely grunted at the impacts, and this was before he even knew what the Brand was, or how to properly use it. I told you before that you would need to wait and see what and how powerful the Brand has been retconned to. This was way back when you began saying that it's been heavily reduced. So far I don't see anything that points to it being that weak. What I see is an inexperienced, and doubtful wielder of it's immense power.

What would happen if the Brand defeats Thanos all on his own? Will he still be less than Norrin in your eyes? Like I said, let's wait and see. My post before this one was in reply to Dampyre. I'd nearly given up on this thread, because it is simply too early to give a solid answer on who would really dominate. However the Brand was able to hold off 3 characters that would wipe the floor with Norrin, and do it with ease. He's fallen to far less than Thor, Hulk, and Hyperion, with a splash of Captain Marvel.

Did you also take into account that the Brand was playing with them? They were far more serious about taking him down than he was about taking them down. Let's just see how it unfolds though.

Thor and crew weren't going all out vs a kid that a) wasn't a villain and b) obviously confused as to what was going on. That's not even debatable.

And like I said, what did the Brand do that was so impressive? You think Surfer can't BFR Hulk, while causing Hyperion pain and singeing Thor's clothing? Because that's ALL Starbrand did.

Regarding the Starbrand's reaction to a Mjolnir strike, the Surfer took one from a pissed off Thor that thought he was attacking his homeland and Surfer was just fine (exactly like the Starbrand) :

And this was a Surfer that was trying to reason with Thor.

Regarding Thanos, I don't know if you've noticed but Hickman doesn't respect power levels or character history. Thanos is going to get jobbed out like a cheap whore (just like the LT was under Hickman's pen). And unless I'm mistaken, it's the Earth based heroes that are going to take him on, not Starbrand and crew. So there goes that.

Starbrand shit stomps.

I mean...really?