Surfer has 'manhandled' Hulk? Exactly what level of Hulk are we talking about here and under what circumstances? And if you know Hyperion then you by chance know King Hyperion and other iterations of Hyperion and not just the Marvel Now version traipsing about in Avengers?
An eye laser to Hulk is all well and good, but that's hardly his most impressive feat to date. I have to say that Hyperion takes surfer. Surfer has done nothing to convince me otherwise, and his showing in infinity is just sad.
Originally posted by janus77
Surfer's manhandled Hulk, there's no reason for him to struggle with Hyperion.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Only time Surfer has manhandled the Hulk is in their 2nd (?) encounter back in the 60's when he stacked the Hulk's power onto his own. If anything it's Surfer who is usually manhandled when they come to blows and chooses to drain Hulk instead of engaging him. I doubt you would see Surfer go toe to toe with Hulk like Hyperion did.
Physically Surfer should be more than able to withstand anything Hyperion brings. He's no Tenebrous or Aegis and this fight isn't going to happen somewhere where Surfer's going to be crippled by Galactus' Earth-binding thing (as seems to be happening now in Infinity).
Current Hulk didn't really get into a fight with Hyperion, a couple of blows and that whilst under mind control. So I wouldn't use that as a demonstration of Hyperion's supposed power...
Also, Surfer has the tools to take Hyperion apart at the cellular, energy and atomic levels, if he so chooses. And he clearly has more of a willingness to kill nowadays.
Originally posted by RockofAges
Surfer has 'manhandled' Hulk? Exactly what level of Hulk are we talking about here and under what circumstances? And if you know Hyperion then you by chance know King Hyperion and other iterations of Hyperion and not just the Marvel Now version traipsing about in Avengers?An eye laser to Hulk is all well and good, but that's hardly his most impressive feat to date. I have to say that Hyperion takes surfer. Surfer has done nothing to convince me otherwise, and his showing in infinity is just sad.
Surfer's a bit harsher with Hulk, than he is with any other Earth hero. I think in part because his Power Cosmic allows him to see the power he's fighting against.
Surfer also took on Green Scar AND the Warbound, and was winning (though, obviously Hulk was weakened on Sakaar and Green Scar wasn't about to lose just yet).
The only reason that fight ended with Surfer getting beat up, was that Norrin freed everyone and Hulk attacked him in an OOC moment (Hulk had previously been shown to be reasonable all throughout the arc, and was indeed shown to be reasonable afterwards too).
Surfer's original fight with Tenebrous and Aegis had him get badly wrecked and wind up in the hands of Annihilus. It was hardly a fight and more of a merciless beat down.
His second fight with them had him using the crunch as a weapon to defeat them. That hardly counts, as it was not of his own power.
Hyperion is almost unkillable, as even if dismembered or ripped apart his cells, even while individually separate continue to absorb solar energy and he will eventually be reconstructed [Read the original run of Exiles]
His strength is practically limitless and his skin is essentially impervious to both physical and energy attacks. Put all that together and I see a surfer-killing machine.
Originally posted by janus77
Surfer has shown on-panel, that he can tank a barrage from Bannerless Hulk (who he could have killed). And he's manhandled Abomination and Savage Hulk before.Physically Surfer should be more than able to withstand anything Hyperion brings. He's no Tenebrous or Aegis and this fight isn't going to happen somewhere where Surfer's going to be crippled by Galactus' Earth-binding thing (as seems to be happening now in Infinity).
Current Hulk didn't really get into a fight with Hyperion, a couple of blows and that whilst under mind control. So I wouldn't use that as a demonstration of Hyperion's supposed power...
Also, Surfer has the tools to take Hyperion apart at the cellular, energy and atomic levels, if he so chooses. And he clearly has more of a willingness to kill nowadays.
True, but Surfer has never been able to go toe to toe with Hulk in anyway, shape or form except in Planet Hulk where the playing field was much even. Hyperion is physically more powerful than Norrin but as to how he would cope with the rest of his powers we would need more feats to judge which I guess is why pretty much everyone, including myself picks Surfer as of now.
Originally posted by RockofAges
Surfer has 'manhandled' Hulk? Exactly what level of Hulk are we talking about here and under what circumstances? And if you know Hyperion then you by chance know King Hyperion and other iterations of Hyperion and not just the Marvel Now version traipsing about in Avengers?An eye laser to Hulk is all well and good, but that's hardly his most impressive feat to date. I have to say that Hyperion takes surfer. Surfer has done nothing to convince me otherwise, and his showing in infinity is just sad.
Hypes feats just don't match up to Surfer's. And one great feat doesn't bridge that gap. Also Surfer is supposed to be weakened in that infinity issue.
Originally posted by RockofAgesAn eye laser to Hulk is all well and good, but that's hardly his most impressive feat to date. I have to say that Hyperion takes surfer. Surfer has done nothing to convince me otherwise, and his showing in infinity is just sad.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Surfer one-shot killed dozens of Alephs in Infinity. He did this while being light years away from Earth. Everyone knows Galactus tied his power to Earth so the further he's from Earth the weaker he is. How is this a pathetic showing?
The fact remains that I've seen Silver Surfer defeated on more than one occasion. Silver Surfer even has trouble agaisnt Nova when the full Nova force is being held back by the world mind, much less when it's all released.
Hyperion on the other hand I've never once seen beaten in a fight. Not even during Exiles, which was one of his longest runs. Ive never once had any proof that Hyperion can be stopped, and it's been stated several times that he's invincible. Not just during Exiles, but during Avengers as well as Superior Spider Man Team Up.
And one shotting Alephs is hardly anything special, even Cap has done it with his shield.