Originally posted by sfriends23282
In terms of force powers, Malgus doesn't compare to Revan. In terms of combat prowess, it seems Malgus was born for it. I don't think Revan wins if it's a close combat fight. His best chance is to keep his distance.
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Malgus has mastered the force maelstrom ability, an ability only two others seem to have mastered, those two being a. The most powerful sith in history, and b. The ultimate mary sue marek. What canonical force abilities has Revan shown, other then vastly impressive tutaminis, impressive TK, healing, and lightning?
Originally posted by Nai
Huh? Post-KotoR Revan would be "Revan reborn" as seen in the novel "Darth Revan". And there we would have his little confrontation with Darth Nyriss. In case somebody forgot:Darth Nyriss apparently was some nice Sith Witch, who was quite the scholary type, spending most of her time in her private library, where "the walls were lined with shelves, their ancient wooden frames warped by the weight of the treasures they bore." (Darth Revan, iBook, p.37). A library including "dozens - if not hundreds - of volumes" (same source)[/i], which had "an antiquated look about them, though most appeared to be preserved in good condition, if somewhat worn from use." (same source).
Now Nyriss essentially reveals the extend of her power, trying to keep Revan as her prisoner. Unfortunatelly, two guards move in her way:
"A burst of purple lightning arced down the steps, catching both men in the chest. They barely had time to scream before they were turned into charred and smoking husks." (Darth Revan, iBook, p.250)Right after that, she confronts Lord Scourge and Meetra (aka "The Exile"😉:
"Before they could recover [from a deadly electrical lightning bolt being fired at them], she [Nyriss] lept at them. Despite her withered appearance, she moved with all the speed and ferocity of a dark side warrior in her prime[...]that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive." (same source)Now, having had enough of the lightsaber fight, she prepares to annihilate the duo with the Dark Side of the Force:
"Scourge felt the energy buidling inside her, and he knew he would be powerless to stop it. Nyriss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong." (Darth Revan, iBook, p.251)
Time for Revan to move into the fight:
"A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss's hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her enemies[...]Revan stepped forward to intercept it.[...]He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling them away from their intended targets and absorbing their power." (Darth Revan, iBook, p.251f.)"Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her[..]The lightning engulged her, the intense heat consuming her instantly, leaving only a pile of charred ash." (Darth Revan, iBook, p.252)
The very same source calls Revan as "the Jedi Order's most powerful champion" (p.49), who [/i]"had learned too much about the Force, both the light side and the dark, to take instruction like some common Padawan." (p.65). To reinforce that assessment, Meetra (having gone through the events of KotoR II at that point in time, if I may remind the reader), thinks that "Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met." (p.230)
Note that the statement about him being "the Jedi Order's most powerful champion" was made in context of him defeating Mandalore in personal combat. So even before he became Darth Revan, he was - seemingly - the most powerful Jedi of his time. Now add to this power the knowledge he gathered from Malachor V - dating back to the Ancient Sith, and, seemingly, enough to frighten Darth Bane in "Path of Destruction", and you can probably conclude that even Darth Revan was a pretty nice powerhouse.
Yet, what do we have regarding Malgus, to put him into such a lofty position? From what I've seen / read, post-KotoR Revan could annihilate him on his own. Darth Revan might also be capable of bringing him down alone. A combination of Revan / Malak will most certainly be up to the task.
I'm always amazed at how some writers ignore characters abilities to promote their favorite little so and sos. What happened to using lightsabers to block and channel energy? Jedi defense 101.
That was a poorly written encounter imv. They should have been able to subdue one council member in a 2 vs 1 fight. Even team busters like Dooku learn to retreat when confronted by skilled masters.
Originally posted by Allankles
I'm always amazed at how some writers ignore characters abilities to promote their favorite little so and sos. What happened to using lightsabers to block and channel energy? Jedi defense 101.That was a poorly written encounter imv. They should have been able to subdue one council member in a 2 vs 1 fight. Even team busters like Dooku learn to retreat when confronted by skilled masters.
Revan in particular was not a stellar work. I hated it upon initial reading, and while I became less venomous upon rereading it, the work still stands as one of the least satisfying bits of lore I've read bar anything post-RotJ (much of which is rubbish).
However, Nai did a good job of pulling exact quotes to provide context, which is far more than we've seen in the defense of Malgus. Having not seen much of Malgus outside of the novels and the trailers for TOR, I'd like to see better arguments on his behalf.
Originally posted by sfriends23282
In terms of force powers, Malgus doesn't compare to Revan. In terms of combat prowess, it seems Malgus was born for it. I don't think Revan wins if it's a close combat fight. His best chance is to keep his distance.
Agree with this, though using powers drains a Jedi's reserves.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
However, Nai did a good job of pulling exact quotes to provide context, which is far more than we've seen in the defense of Malgus. Having not seen much of Malgus outside of the novels and the trailers for TOR, I'd like to see better arguments on his behalf.
Sidious describes Malgus in the Book of Sith as 'an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been equalled.'
In The Third Lesson while still mortally wounded by Satale Shan in the Hope trailer Malgus fights two Jedi. One of the Jedi collapses two large duracrete buildings on top of Malgus, who holds up the rubble before blasting it away. He engages the Jedi in lightsaber combat before sensing the second whom he kills easily by snapping his neck with the Force. Then the Jedi who collapsed the buildings on him charges, but Malgus blows through his lightsaber defense with his lightning, burning holes in his body with it before executing him.
In Deception Malgus kills 3 Jedi at once with a single burst of lightning. His Force Scream shatters a huge collumn. His Force Push kills a Jedi by blasting her across the temple and is described as powerful enough to splinter bone. He lifted 2 pieces of statuary and smashed them into each other hard enough to shatter them into a shower of stone. He's leaped to the ground from 50 meters up while creating a cocoon of power strong enough so that when he landed he shattered the stone and turned it into a hail of shrapnel. He's incredibly strong, at one point kicking Lord Adraas so hard he flies across a room and cracks a stone column in half and being described as stronger than Aryn Leneer, who herself was able to fling Malgus the length of an F-22 (20 meters). At the end of the novel he completely embraces the Dark Side and gains a massive boost of power making him beyond all the feats I just mentioned.
Finally in TOR Malgus fights either the Strike Team made up of the Republic or Empire players. Despite fighting such opponents as the Hero of Tython + Barsen'thor/Darth Nox + Emperor's Wrath he is able to bring them to their knees with a gout of lightning and toss them around in TK.
Originally posted by sfriends23282
In terms of force powers, Malgus doesn't compare to Revan. In terms of combat prowess, it seems Malgus was born for it. I don't think Revan wins if it's a close combat fight. His best chance is to keep his distance.
How doesn't Malgus compare to Revan in a Force competition? He has considerably better feats.
Nah, not really. But it's true, really. He has no feats outside his novel, and in his novel he has no feats that are really applicable when fighting a guy like Malgus. Really.
Let's see, he blew open a blast door, collapsed a stone archway, redirected Nyriss's lightning, and Force Pushed Vitiate. He also used Force Healing pretty well.
Malgus on the other hand has blown away 2 buildings worth of rubble, shattered columns, blasted holes in Jedi with FL, and has shattered the bones of a group of guards with a Force Push.
Where exactly is Revan's huge advantage? I fail to see it.