Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Doesn't matter if it's a wrist blaster or a special ability, it's only feat so far that I've seen is breaking prison bars. That's not very impressive at all.
Yea, you try breaking two-inch bars with your hands and see how well you do 🙂 It's quite superhuman.
And I notice a certain purposeful ignoring of, oh, Shang Tsung blowing up a helicopter. Liu Kang is stronger than Shang Tsung.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, you try breaking two-inch bars with your hands and see how well you do 🙂 It's quite superhuman.And I notice a certain purposeful ignoring of, oh, Shang Tsung blowing up a helicopter. Liu Kang is stronger than Shang Tsung.
I can't, Nightwing can, Batman has kicked down steel doors and ripped car trunks under water. Batman rogues can blow up helicopters, a rocket launcher can blow up a helicopter. That's nothing above the Bat Family's paygrade.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I can't, Nightwing can, Batman has kicked down steel doors and ripped car trunks under water.
He's knocked steel doors *off their hinges*, not just broken them. And car trunks are far thinner and just aluminum.
Also, it's not like there's any reason to believe that's her max- she just wanted Jax free.
Batman rogues can blow up helicopters, a rocket launcher can blow up a helicopter. That's nothing above the Bat Family's paygrade.
Still means they're stronger than the Batfamily, though 🙂
Higher durability too.
And when Batman fights a foe with that level of firepower and toughness, he does not beat them in strait fights, he does so via planning or some clever trick... and we're talking a tournament setting here.
Originally posted by Q99
He's knocked steel doors *off their hinges*, not just broken them. And car trunks are far thinner and just aluminum.Also, it's not like there's any reason to believe that's her max- she just wanted Jax free.
Still means they're stronger than the Batfamily, though 🙂
Higher durability too.
And when Batman fights a foe with that level of firepower and toughness, he does not beat them in strait fights, he does so via planning or some clever trick... and we're talking a tournament setting here.
Killer Croc, Dick has also taken and survived punches from Donna Troy. The car was under water.
You can believe what you want about Sonya but until we see more from it that is the height of her blast's power.
Being stronger than the bat family means nothing if they can still win.
Originally posted by Q99Yeah because an energy blast that can destroy steel bars is going to have the Bat family trembling in fear 😆
He's knocked steel doors *off their hinges*, not just broken them. And car trunks are far thinner and just aluminum.Also, it's not like there's any reason to believe that's her max- she just wanted Jax free.
Still means they're stronger than the Batfamily, though 🙂
Higher durability too.
And when Batman fights a foe with that level of firepower and toughness, he does not beat them in strait fights, he does so via planning or some clever trick... and we're talking a tournament setting here.
Just give up Q99, you're getting desperate and you aren't going to convincing anyone at this point
Originally posted by Q99
That's just how she channels it. She has no 'blaster'.And notably, being hit by projectiles like that is not an auto-win, characters can often deal as much or more in melee as they can with projectiles.
First vision shows a spine-rip (and remember, those visions are things that *happened*).
1:42, Sindel hits Nightwolf into a large stone alter hard enough to break it. Nightwolf's fine, showing both strength and durability.
She does have a blaster
Show me people being hit by these attacks.
It does not show a spine rip. It shows Scorpion holding Sub Zero's head. He could have burned hit the exact same way leaving his head intact. Unless we actually witness the event firsthand we cannot know and will not just accept your baseless speculation.
Nightwolf is not fine. He stays down and hold his rips. He doesn't even get up on his own. You're outright lying now
Wei PhoenixBeing stronger than the bat family means nothing if they can still win.
Oh, sure it does! It's not everything of course, but since you admit they're stronger, let's start there. It means they take fewer hits to win than their foe does. Their opponent needs more blows to win. Thus, if they're badly outmatched in skill, it's not enough, but if they're even close, they've got a significant edge.
And they're all incredibly experienced martial artists, literally the best on Earth (or other realms), who fight superhuman foes regularly, and some of whom are immortal. They aren't unskilled, they're much more-so than the likes of Killer Croc or similar, and quite possibly more-so than their foe.
And this is a superhuman martial arts tournament with no prep or other advantages for Slade or a Bat.
Just a reminder, Batman's lost to human martial artists on multiple occasions. Slade's been stalemated by Cassandra and been given trouble by Dick. Take that kind of opponent, throw in the superhuman strength and toughness, and some energy attacks/weapons for good measure.
The point of a superhuman ability isn't, "Oh, this is so strong it'll win for sure!". It's "There's this, and it's in the hand of a very high tier martial artist. High tier martial artists already do well against these foes, and here's one that's more powerful as well."
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
Yeah because an energy blast that can destroy steel bars is going to have the Bat family trembling in fear 😆
Fear? No. Will it take them down or at least cause significant damage if it hits? Without a doubt.
You think the MK characters will fear anything Deathstroke has? Of course not. Silly argument.
Just give up Q99, you're getting desperate and you aren't going to convincing anyone at this point
I do wonder where you think you're argument is winning, with "Oh, sure, the MK people are highly skilled martial artists who have plenty of superhuman attacks that can take down the bats and super toughness, but the Bats aren't afraid of that, so they'll win, even in a direct fight setup that doesn't let them prep or such."
You aren't actually showing anything to indicate lack-of-ability to win, you're just acting unimpressed. So yes, you're not being convinced, but you're also losing on facts.
Btw, Here is an even better one, 7:52. Raiden punches a guy through a bridge. No rocket launcher can do that.
For Sonya specifically, this is what her X-ray move looks like.
JuggermanShe does have a blaster
She has leather gloves 🙂 Check her MK wiki page, blasters or other weapons aren't mentioned.
Also it's not her only energy attack. She also has her 'kiss' fatalities where she makes an energy ball with a 'kiss,' and has a few variants of it.
I'm not sure why you think having a blaster would be *better*, the damage from one hit is the same, but you can't just make up stuff about the other side anyway.
Originally posted by Q99I agree with this guy except the point of Sonya's x-ray move because I don't think its canon i might look it up to see but im not sure.
Oh, sure it does! It's not everything of course, but since you admit they're stronger, let's start there. It means they take fewer hits to win than their foe does. Their opponent needs more blows to win. Thus, if they're badly outmatched in skill, it's not enough, but if they're even close, they've got a significant edge.And they're all incredibly experienced martial artists, literally the best on Earth (or other realms), who fight superhuman foes regularly, and some of whom are immortal. They aren't unskilled, they're much more-so than the likes of Killer Croc or similar, and quite possibly more-so than their foe.
And this is a superhuman martial arts tournament with no prep or other advantages for Slade or a Bat.
Just a reminder, Batman's lost to human martial artists on multiple occasions. Slade's been stalemated by Cassandra and been given trouble by Dick. Take that kind of opponent, throw in the superhuman strength and toughness, and some energy attacks/weapons for good measure.
The point of a superhuman ability isn't, "Oh, this is so strong it'll win for sure!". It's "There's this, and it's in the hand of a very high tier martial artist. High tier martial artists already do well against these foes, and here's one that's more powerful as well."
Fear? No. Will it take them down or at least cause significant damage if it hits? Without a doubt.
You think the MK characters will fear anything Deathstroke has? Of course not. Silly argument.
I do wonder where you think you're argument is winning, with "Oh, sure, the MK people are highly skilled martial artists who have plenty of superhuman attacks that can take down the bats and super toughness, but the Bats aren't afraid of that, so they'll win, even in a direct fight setup that doesn't let them prep or such."
You aren't actually showing anything to indicate lack-of-ability to win, you're just acting unimpressed. So yes, you're not being convinced, but you're also losing on facts.
Btw, Here is an even better one, 7:52. Raiden punches a guy through a bridge. No rocket launcher can do that.
For Sonya specifically, this is what her X-ray move looks like.
She has leather gloves 🙂 Check her MK wiki page, blasters or other weapons aren't mentioned.
Also it's not her only energy attack. She also has her 'kiss' fatalities where she makes an energy ball with a 'kiss,' and has a few variants of it.
I'm not sure why you think having a blaster would be *better*, the damage from one hit is the same, but you can't just make up stuff about the other side anyway.
Originally posted by Q99
Fear? No. Will it take them down or at least cause significant damage if it hits? Without a doubt.You think the MK characters will fear anything Deathstroke has? Of course not. Silly argument.
IF IT HITS. A handgun could take down a member of the Bat family if it connects, having a deadly projectile and being able to hit someone of the Bat families caliber are two different things, the MK cast being unable to do the latter
The MK characters don't have to fear Deathstroke, it isn't required, they're still going to get their asses kicked badly
Originally posted by Q99
I do wonder where you think you're argument is winning, with "Oh, sure, the MK people are highly skilled martial artists who have plenty of superhuman attacks that can take down the bats and super toughness, but the Bats aren't afraid of that, so they'll win, even in a direct fight setup that doesn't let them prep or such."You aren't actually showing anything to indicate lack-of-ability to win, you're just acting unimpressed. So yes, you're not being convinced, but you're also losing on facts.
Btw, Here is an even better one, 7:52. Raiden punches a guy through a bridge. No rocket launcher can do that.
For Sonya specifically, this is what her X-ray move looks like.
😆 😆 😆
My argument is winning because you have absolutely nothing. You're big feat for Sonya was that she had an energy blast that was able to destroy a steel bar. Seriously? You're even using gameplay mechanics in your arguments too. Your argument reeks of desperation and I almost feel embarrassed for you....almost...
I showed physical feats from Nightwing, Batman and Katana, three characters that were outclassed by Deathstroke, that put their physical stats above any of the MK characters here. So we know their outclassed physically.
The only thing they have going for them is that they have weak energy attacks that apparently can destroy steel bars. Their skill is piss poor in comparison to Bruce and even Slade for that matter, so it's basically weak and predictable energy blast vs a guy with superior stats, skill and firearms, yeah you're not winning anything here son.
Raiden can punch a guy through a bridge? Good for him, too bad he isn't in this fight, but I know you have the habit of taking feats from like 20 characters and applying them to one so this isn't surprising.
Can't wait to see your next weak argument, since apparently you think that someone who with minor energy projection can beat a faster, stronger more skilled opponent.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipsSonya isnt even in this besides half the guys listed could beat her also I dont think a gun is going to hurt Cyrax he is a robot its not going to do much so I don't know why the gun is so important.
IF IT HITS. A handgun could take down a member of the Bat family if it connects, having a deadly projectile and being able to hit someone of the Bat families caliber are two different things, the MK cast being unable to do the latter😆 😆 😆
My argument is winning because you have absolutely nothing. You're big feat for Sonya was that she had an energy blast that was able to destroy a steel bar. Seriously? You're even using gameplay mechanics in your arguments too. Your argument reeks of desperation and I almost feel embarrassed for you....almost...
I showed physical feats from Nightwing, Batman and Katana, three characters that were outclassed by Deathstroke, that put their physical stats above any of these MK characters in particular. So we know their outclassed physically.
The only thing they have going for them is that they have weak energy attacks that apparently can destroy steel bars. Their skill is piss poor in comparison to Bruce and even Slade for that matter, so it's basically weak and predictable energy blast vs a guy with superior stats, skill and firearms, yeah you're not winning anything here son.
Can't wait to see your next weak argument.
Originally posted by TrevisPhillups
IF IT HITS. A handgun could take down a member of the Bat family if it connects, having a deadly projectile and being able to hit someone of the Bat families caliber are two different things, the MK cast being unable to do the latter
Except, hey, these are top martial artists.
And top martial artists hit Batman in fights quite often. They provide him tough fights pretty often. They even beat him in combat on occasion.
And top martial artists also have done well against Slade, even without the strength or powers of the MK fighters.
*Shrugs* You're basically assuming they can't hit based on nothing. You're acting like they're simple blasters/bricks rather than, y'know, specifically the best martial artists on the planet.
If your argument is reliant on the MK fighters not being good martial artists, it's really not much of an argument.
And like Ferret Fiend mentioned, it's not Sonya, who's mid to low power. It's Cyrax, who's a martial artist robot, and Reptile, and Shang Tsung, and all that.
Now, I do see Deathstroke beating Baraka, but clearing it? C'mon, it's a whole list of superhuman martial artists. Not just people who have some superhuman attributes, but specifically top fighters.
Originally posted by Ferret FiendWhat you think is irrelevant, show Cyrax being immune to gun fire, better yet show him being immune to a power staff blast, or explosives, or getting a sword in the face. Here let me save you some time, you won't be able to because he hasn't shown anything to suggest this level of durability, other than the fact that he's a Cyborg.
Sonya isnt even in this besides half the guys listed could beat her also I dont think a gun is going to hurt Cyrax he is a robot its not going to do much so I don't know why the gun is so important.
Originally posted by Q99
[quote="TrevisPhillups"]
IF IT HITS. A handgun could take down a member of the Bat family if it connects, having a deadly projectile and being able to hit someone of the Bat families caliber are two different things, the MK cast being unable to do the latter
Except, hey, these are top martial artists.
And top martial artists hit Batman in fights quite often. They provide him tough fights pretty often. They even beat him in combat on occasion.
And top martial artists also have done well against Slade, even without the strength or powers of the MK fighters.
*Shrugs* You're basically assuming they can't hit based on nothing. You're acting like they're simple blasters/bricks rather than, y'know, specifically the best martial artists on the planet.
If your argument is reliant on the MK fighters not being good martial artists, it's really not much of an argument.
And like Ferret Fiend mentioned, it's not Sonya, who's mid to low power. It's Cyrax, who's a martial artist robot, and Reptile, and Shang Tsung, and all that.
Now, I do see Deathstroke beating Baraka, but clearing it? C'mon, it's a whole list of superhuman martial artists. Not just people who have some superhuman attributes, but specifically top fighters. [/QUOTE] They are top martial artist by MK standards, not by DC standards., Top tier martial artist hit Batman all the time, you've yet to prove that MK characters are top tier martial artist by DC standards.
Top tier Martial Artist have done well against Slade, again you've yet to show MK characters being top tier martial artist
Seriously you're argument is literally this
MK characters are top tier martial artist, have superhuman stats and energy blast
The only thing you've been right about so far is energy blast and they're generally weak, slow energy blast that do little damage. Do you actually think Sonya's blast is going to have any effect on someone like Deathstroke? Name a single person that Sonya has killed with these energy blast that suggest this, you can't, because like the majority of your arguments you're pulling things out of your ass.
You say MK characters are super human, yet Batman, Nightwing and Katana all have better physical stats then they do
You say MK characters are top martial artist, you've yet to show a single feat that puts them on these characters level in terms of skill
In short you have nothing.
The only person here who may potentially cause Slade annoyance is Scorpion and considering that he's been beaten by people who are weaker, slower and less skilled than Slade he isn't going to last long either.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipssThey are top martial artist by MK standards, not by DC standards., Top tier martial artist hit Batman all the time, you've yet to prove that MK characters are top tier martial artist by DC standards.
Except, hey, these are top martial artists.And top martial artists hit Batman in fights quite often. They provide him tough fights pretty often. They even beat him in combat on occasion.
And top martial artists also have done well against Slade, even without the strength or powers of the MK fighters.
*Shrugs* You're basically assuming they can't hit based on nothing. You're acting like they're simple blasters/bricks rather than, y'know, specifically the best martial artists on the planet.
If your argument is reliant on the MK fighters not being good martial artists, it's really not much of an argument.
And like Ferret Fiend mentioned, it's not Sonya, who's mid to low power. It's Cyrax, who's a martial artist robot, and Reptile, and Shang Tsung, and all that.
Now, I do see Deathstroke beating Baraka, but clearing it? C'mon, it's a whole list of superhuman martial artists. Not just people who have some superhuman attributes, but specifically top fighters.
Top tier Martial Artist have done well against Slade, again you've yet to show MK characters being top tier martial artist
Seriously you're argument is literally this
MK characters are top tier martial artist, have superhuman stats and energy blast
The only thing you've been right about so far is energy blast and they're generally weak, slow energy blast that do little damage. Do you actually think Sonya's blast is going to have any effect on someone like Deathstroke? Name a single person that Sonya has killed with these energy blast that suggest this, you can't, because like the majority of your arguments you're pulling things out of your ass.
You say MK characters are super human, yet Batman, Nightwing and Katana all have better physical stats then they do
You say MK characters are top martial artist, you've yet to show a single feat that puts them on these characters level in terms of skill
In short you have nothing.
The only person here who may potentially cause Slade annoyance is Scorpion and considering that he's been beaten by people who are weaker, slower and less skilled than Slade he isn't going to last long either. [/B][/QUOTE] why are you such a mk hater can you show a feat in where their not good martioal artist we know they are and your calling them weak raiden slams motaro through a huge bridge and lui kang is able to give this guy trouble. scorpion is able to control fire so is lui kang and shang tsung deathstroke is not immune to fire you basically saying this.
Mk people arnt good fighters which is completely false.