Originally posted by TrevorPhillipssWhat do you mean ferret i made my account first and what do you mean obvious just because we agree on something you dont were alt accounts ferret hasent even been on all day you idiot.
LMAO You're trying waaay too hard ferret, next time try not to make your alt account so obvious
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
[B]Again you're not listing any feats, all you're doing is listing his powers, abilities and what group he was part of, none of this is relevant in a fight,
Powers and training aren't relevant to a fight? News to me.
I had no idea the ability to shoot incapacitating nets, teleport, and bombs was useless. Good to know, eh?
I care about how well he can conduct himself in battle, and given that you're extremely hesitant to actually list some of his accomplishments its safe to say that you have none
He has several- pre upgrade, he beat Johnny Cage. Post, he beats Cyborg Sektor. And being the elite of the Lin Quei, well, that also tells you he's on a similar level to the Sub Zeros, Smoke, etc..
But, since you're dismissing MK's fighting prowess as a *whole*, I know you're going to discount them.
Better yet show evidence that Cyrax can survive getting impaled with a Promethium sword, better yet show Cyrax being invulnerable to a blast from a power staff?
I doubt he is, on a sufficiently good hit and not just a glancing blow.
He doesn't have to be immune, though. He's a high-level ninja who has great agility, teleportation, etc.. *And* he's made of metal on top.
Seriously you have nothing
Your argument seems to be, unless someone's totally invulnerable, you're going to assume they're outmatched and doomed.
Not much of an argument, with nothing to back it up!
😂 😂 back to using ABC logic huh?
A demonstration of general MK fighter toughness.
Btw, another one of the fighters on this list, Scorpion, has beaten Nightwolf.
And even if that was the case being slammed into stone doesn't correlate to getting blasted by a power staff or getting a sword in the face.
It is, however, a *very* good toughness feat by someone fairly representative of MK fighters, who's neither high nor low tier.
You haven't shown any physical feats for Cyrax to suggest otherwise, show his strength, show his agility, show his speed and his durability, will compare feats and will see if Slade is capable of shooting him in the eye.
I just showed the speed he used in the X-ray attack. Short memory, eh?
And how about this? Burden of proof. You prove he can. You prove that Cyrax won't teleport behind him first.
You prove your claims, because you're presenting me with air. You don't get to just assume everything your guy does works based on, oh yes, Deathstroke never doing that against skilled humans/world class fighters like Batman or Nightwing, and here he is against superhumans/world class fighters...
So far the only thing you've managed to show is a durability feat...FROM ANOTHER CHARACTER
Yea, a peer. Because they don't go around showing every character beat up in cutscenes, but the stories do show the characters fight each other a lot and aren't too far in level.
I've also shown you the offensive capability of three different fighters.
Now, when someone shows you feats from 4 fighters to indicate their general level, and there's another character who is considered a peer to them, do you assume that the info on other characters
Heck, even if we did discount it on Cyrax specifically, some of the others are in the list themselves.
But you won't be able to, we already know how this is going to end, I'm just trying to hasten your inevitable cop out
Your cop out is "prove that they can do things which even someone with basic reasoning can tell is obvious! What, me prove that Slade can do that stuff in the first place? Uh, lemme change the subject on you!"
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You just keep on assuming minimal capabilities... despite no evidence of it... based on nothing!
It's a series full of blatantly superhuman fighters and your arguments amount to 'prove they won't stand still!' 'prove that they're invulnerable because they'll obviously be standing still!' 'prove that they can hit someone who's not standing still!' when they do it constantly by the very base nature of their plot.
Irrelevant, does this mean characters in MK can survive getting their heads ripped out since that seems to happen alot in fatalities?
You do realize that fatalities represent people *dying*, y'know?
If it happens in gameplay then it's a gameplay mechanic, show something happening in the cut scene or succeed
Stuff like hit points and stuff, sure. Stuff like someone jumping or teleporting or throwing attacks fast? It's a representation of what they can do.
Note also that you aren't providing any low feats, you haven't provided anything of the sort to support the idea that MK fighters are as weak as you claim. You just chose to dismiss what information is available because it largely comes from a fighting game... and even the cutscene stuff shows them to be quite formidable, more than you'll admit.
I've provided evidence of strength, toughness, fighting histories, abilities, etc. etc.. You've assumed great weaknesses based on nothing, and expect that because you reject all evidence and arguments it means something.
This is getting very tedious now, the next post is your last chance to contribute something meaningful to the argument, otherwise I'm taking it as your concession
Saying you take a concession doesn't matter if you're outargued and base your argument on baseless assumptions.
This isn't a 'can I convince you' contest. Whether or not you're convinced is irrelevant. This is a debate, and I've provided better evidence.
Originally posted by Q99
Powers and training aren't relevant to a fight? News to me.I had no idea the ability to shoot incapacitating nets, teleport, and bombs was useless. Good to know, eh?
How well you apply your weaponry and training are what's relevant. We already know how well Slade can apply his weaponry and skill because he has decades worth of feats, Cyrax and most MK characters for that matter don't.
Originally posted by Q99So Johnny Cage and Cyborg Sektor are on the same level as Batman, Nightwing, Batgirl and Katana? What are there feats again?He has several- pre upgrade, he beat Johnny Cage. Post, he beats Cyborg Sektor. And being the elite of the Lin Quei, well, that also tells you he's on a similar level to the Sub Zeros, Smoke, etc..
But, since you're dismissing MK's fighting prowess as a *whole*, I know you're going to discount them.
Beating other equally featless characters isn't a feat. Nor does it give us any indication of his physical stats or skill level
I'm going to dismiss it because like everything else you post it's utter garbage, here's a typical argument from Q99
Feat-less character A has a feat, he beat Featless character B so he must be able to beat someone with decades worth of continuity herp derp
That sounds about right
Originally posted by Q99I doubt he is, on a sufficiently good hit and not just a glancing blow.
He doesn't have to be immune, though. He's a high-level ninja who has great agility, teleportation, etc.. *And* he's made of metal on top.
In other words you have nothing. And yes he'd have to be immune because he's going to get decapitated, it's inevitable. Show his agility feats, how does his agility compare to Slade's?
Originally posted by Q99If you want to keep debating might I suggest obtaining a reading comprehension on a 3rd grade level. No one ever stated that Cyrax is outmatched because he's invunerable, the argument is that Cyrax is outmatched because in every physical stat he's outclassed and outclassed in skill, and where Slade has decades worth of feats, your only argument is that he's made of metal and that he's beaten equally featless and unimpressive characters
Your argument seems to be, unless someone's totally invulnerable, you're going to assume they're outmatched and doomed.Not much of an argument, with nothing to back it up!
Originally posted by Q99No, a demonstration of one MK fighter's toughness who isn't even in this thread, nor is the durability relevant to getting impaled or decapiated.A demonstration of general MK fighter toughness.
Btw, another one of the fighters on this list, Scorpion, has beaten Nightwolf.
Originally posted by Q99Again, an MK character who isn't even in this thread. If you want to make a Nightwolf vs Deathstroke thread then go ahead and make it, I'll go to that thread and explain logically how Deathstroke would kill Nightwolf also.
It is, however, a *very* good toughness feat by someone fairly representative of MK fighters, who's neither high nor low tier.
Originally posted by Q99I wish I had short memory, I could get this diarrhea you call an argument out of my head.I just showed the speed he used in the X-ray attack. Short memory, eh?
And how about this? Burden of proof. You prove he can. You prove that Cyrax won't teleport behind him first.
You prove your claims, because you're presenting me with air. You don't get to just assume everything your guy does works based on, oh yes, Deathstroke never doing that against skilled humans/world class fighters like Batman or Nightwing, and here he is against superhumans/world class fighters...
Burden of proof? I never argued that Cyrax couldn't teleport, but apparently you think that he can teleport fast enough, get behind Slade and do a sufficient amount of damage to him before getting shot or garroted. It goes back to my first post, having all the powers and weapons in the world means nothing if you can't apply them properly.
Originally posted by Q99A peer? Where does it state anywhere in this series that Cyrax is as durable as Nightwolf? You're simply pulling things out of your ass now.
Yea, a peer. Because they don't go around showing every character beat up in cutscenes, but the stories do show the characters fight each other a lot and aren't too far in level.I've also shown you the offensive capability of three different fighters.
Now, when someone shows you feats from 4 fighters to indicate their general level, and there's another character who is considered a peer to them, do you assume that the info on other characters
Heck, even if we did discount it on Cyrax specifically, some of the others are in the list themselves.
If they don't go around showing every character getting beaten up in cut scenes then that's YOUR PROBLEM.
I'll say it again, you want to debate with Nightwolf go make a Slade vs Night Wolf thread and I'll humiliate you there too. Nightwolf isn't in this fight, Nightwolf and every showing that Nightwolf has holds ZERO relevance here.
You've listed power sets for 3 different characters, none of their physical stats, none of their skill based states, and most importantly none of their feats, outside of Cyrax beating Johnny Cage and Sektor who are both equally featless.
Do you know why it's easy to debate for Slade? Because the characters he beats have decades worth of feats and continuity
If you take Cyrax, and take every character he's beaten, you could probably count all of their feats on one hand. That's why Cyrax and your argument fail, because the only thing you can do is list Cyrax's powers rather than demonstrate how well he can use them.
That's like me arguing that Slade wins because he has guns, grenades, armor and a sword, rather than demonstrate his competency with them. It's a stupid argument but then again look who I'm talking to.
Originally posted by Q99
It's a series full of blatantly superhuman fighters and your arguments amount to 'prove they won't stand still!' 'prove that they're invulnerable because they'll obviously be standing still!' 'prove that they can hit someone who's not standing still!' when they do it constantly by the very base nature of their plot.
I agree, a series full of blatantly superhuman fighters, so full that out of over 40-50 MK characters on the entire roster the one and only physical feat you were able to find was Night Wolf getting slammed into stone
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Originally posted by Q99
Stuff like someone jumping or teleporting or throwing attacks fast? It's a representation of what they can do...
Originally posted by Q99and even the cutscene stuff shows them to be quite formidable, more than you'll admit
Lets take a look at that shall we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyr0SX9Uhgc
1:07:18 was Jax fighting at the same speed he fights at in gameplay?
1:34:51 is Kitana fighting at the same speed she fights in gameplay?
2:05:40 are Johnny Cage and Ermac fighting at the same speed as in gameplay?
2:56:30 are Night Wolf and Noob fighting at the same speed they use in gameplay?
2:59:16 was anyone here fighting as fast as they do in gameplay?
The answer to all of them is no, no and NO. None of these characters in the cut scenes, the actual canon are fighting at the same pace they fight in gameplay. Another Q99 argument down the toilet.
Originally posted by Q99
I've provided evidence of strength, toughness, fighting histories, abilities, etc. etc.. You've assumed great weaknesses based on nothing, and expect that because you reject all evidence and arguments it means something.
I can't reject evidence because there is no evidence to reject. I already disproved your notion of gameplay being a representation of how characters fight with at least 5 examples, and that's only from one game.
Which basically leaves you with listing a characters powers without describing how well they can utilize them, and the use of Nightwolf's mediocre durability feat for the entire MK roster. That's some strong evidence there 😂
Originally posted by Q99I'm taking this as a concession because this argument ended a while ago, somewhere between the use of gameplay mechanics that aren't accurate representations of the characters and the fact that you've been riding one characters mediocre feat for this entire thread
Saying you take a concession doesn't matter if you're outargued and base your argument on baseless assumptions.
Originally posted by Q99All debates are a matter of convincing the other person. I've succeeded, you know that everything I've stated so far has been 100% factual . Go ahead and keep posting though, it's a win win situation for me, either you concede or I continue to get a good laugh by reading your post.
This isn't a 'can I convince you' contest. Whether or not you're convinced is irrelevant. This is a debate, and I've provided better evidence.
How well you apply your weaponry and training are what's relevant. We already know how well Slade can apply his weaponry and skill because he has decades worth of feats, Cyrax and most MK characters for that matter don't.
They in fact, *have* decades of feats, or in-plot, centuries.
And Deathstroke's feats against martial artists indicate that no, he *can't* just stab them in the eye easily or what have you, they often avoid his blows and give him a hard time.
Just more of the same 'I don't want to count what's exceedingly obvious' from you.
All debates are a matter of convincing the other person. I've succeeded, you know that everything I've stated so far has been 100% factual . Go ahead and keep posting though, it's a win win situation for me, either you concede or I continue to get a good laugh by reading your post.
Nope, quite the opposite, you've just repeated 'MK characters are weak despite being literally the best martial artists from multiple worlds... because! I can't demonstrate it, I'll ignore feats shown, and act like that grants a win!'. You've posted no feats showing your side, and even ignore stuff from how Deathstroke does.
You've got nothin', and *you* know it.
Also, I will note *I've* convinced other people. You're on your own, other people agree with me, seems pretty clear-cut. One person shouting how they've won loses to multiple people with feats
Originally posted by Q99If they have decades of feats why is it that out of the entire roster you've only listed one feat for Nightwolf, then tried to apply it to everyone else by calling them "peers" I guess you miscounted the number of feats you had.
They in fact, *have* decades of feats, or in-plot, centuries.And Deathstroke's feats against martial artists indicate that no, he *can't* just stab them in the eye easily or what have you, they often avoid his blows and give him a hard time.
Just more of the same 'I don't want to count what's exceedingly obvious' from you.
Yes they've avoided his blows, remind me again how the characters in MK compare to the characters in DC that Slade fights?
Oh yeah,. THEY DON'T, You keep assuming that they do yet you constantly fail at being unable to list a comprehensive list of feats for the characters that put them on that level.
You don't want to count the exceedingly obvious for me? try to make your cop outs more subtle
Originally posted by Q99Nope, quite the opposite, you've just repeated 'MK characters are weak despite being literally the best martial artists from multiple worlds... because! I can't demonstrate it, I'll ignore feats shown, and act like that grants a win!'. You've posted no feats showing your side, and even ignore stuff from how Deathstroke does.
You've got nothin', and *you* know it.
Also, I will note *I've* convinced other people. You're on your own, other people agree with me, seems pretty clear-cut. One person shouting how they've won loses to multiple people with feats
Ah the inevitable cop out, I guess debunking the silly notion of MK characters canonically fighting like they do in gameplay was the straw that broke Q99's back, what finally pushed you over the edge.
I took a look at the thread and besides me there are 3 other users who agree that Slade wins here.
On the other hand the only person that is outspoken and agreeing with you is Battlemaster, who not only is an idiot but got so desperate that he made an alt account called Ferret Fiend to agree with you
Yeah, how about that? Even Battlemaster thinks your argument is so weak that he had to make an alt account to support you. Kind of speaks volumes about your ability ouse logic and reasoning doesn't it 😆 😆
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipsswow your an idiot me and ferret are always on at the same time you idiot so explain that is arguement is still stronger than yours mister i cant give a feat I can actually prove were different but your so butt hurt that you will make up anything to make yourself fell better what makes you think where the same people and even if i wanted to make an alt. account i couldnt if you try it always brings me back to "our records show you already have an account under so and so" so how bout you stop making up lies ok hell your just an overload dc fan who dosent know shit about mk also none of your so called supporters said he clears so your wrong again. And im an idiot ok so thats why im in college straight A's and your busy flipping burgers.
If they have decades of feats why is it that out of the entire roster you've only listed one feat for Nightwolf, then tried to apply it to everyone else by calling them "peers" I guess you miscounted the number of feats you had.Yes they've avoided his blows, remind me again how the characters in MK compare to the characters in DC that Slade fights?
Oh yeah,. THEY DON'T, You keep assuming that they do yet you constantly fail at being unable to list a comprehensive list of feats for the characters that put them on that level.
You don't want to count the exceedingly obvious for me? try to make your cop outs more subtle
Ah the inevitable cop out, I guess debunking the silly notion of MK characters canonically fighting like they do in gameplay was the straw that broke Q99's back, what finally pushed you over the edge.
I took a look at the thread and besides me there are 3 other users who agree that Slade wins here.
On the other hand the only person that is outspoken and agreeing with you is Battlemaster, who not only is an idiot but got so desperate that he made an alt account called Ferret Fiend to agree with you
Yeah, how about that? Even Battlemaster thinks your argument is so weak that he had to make an alt account to support you. Kind of speaks volumes about your ability ouse logic and reasoning doesn't it 😆 😆
Originally posted by battlemaster161Calm down Ferret, don't be so defensive, I only said that next time you double account to support someone try to make it more subtle.
wow your an idiot me and ferret are always on at the same time you idiot so explain that is arguement is still stronger than yours mister i cant give a feat I can actually prove were different but your so butt hurt that you will make up anything to make yourself fell better what makes you think where the same people and even if i wanted to make an alt. account i couldnt if you try it always brings me back to "our records show you already have an account under so and so" so how bout you stop making up lies ok hell your just an overload dc fan who dosent know shit about mk also none of your so called supporters said he clears so your wrong again. And im an idiot ok so thats why im in college straight A's and your busy flipping burgers.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipssI dont have a double account if you looked at ferrets profile you would see he has been on for a long time even before this was made and can you explain how we are on at the same time no didnt think so. Also I made my account first
Calm down Ferret, don't be so defensive, I only said that next time you double account to support someone try to make it more subtle.
Originally posted by battlemaster161Dude shut up ferret it's not funny anymore
I dont have a double account if you looked at ferrets profile you would see he has been on for a long time even before this was made and can you explain how we are on at the same time no didnt think so. Also I made my account first