Heres a question for Carver. I havent read all of the fear itself comics. Was nul stated as being stronger than kurth because of the particular asgardians inside of them or because of the host they were occupying. I for one consider Juggs and Hulk to be basically exact equals and would think a fight between them to be a stalemate. So was the asgardian demons ever given a rank?
I don't think it was outright stated that Nul and Thing was more powerful...it said they were the mightiest of the Serpents. If we look at fts, Kuurth has the durability edge while Nul has the strength edge. Kuurth didn't take on someone as powerful as Nul did though, (Thor), so he didn't get the chance to test his durability like the others did. So overall, its debatable.
Also, it was stated on panel that Hulk is more powerful than Juggernaut, on more than one occasion. I would not consider them equals.
Originally posted by h1a8
Kuurth is Cyttorak 's enchantment stacked with Serpent's power. Thus your argument on how Colossus and Kuurth is irrelevant.What are Mangog 's strength or striking feats to support him overpowering just Cyttorak' s enchantment alone?
You say that Mangog 's strength will increase by feeding on anger. Well at what rate will his power increase? Because comics show that it's a very slow rate of increase (or a non existent one).
Originally posted by the Darkone
SA Mangog will hit Kuurth so hard even Serpent will cry for mercy.
Originally posted by zopzop
H1a8, my friend, you need to understand something. SA Mangog punked Odin and all Asgard. Odin wrecked the Serpent, his Worthy, and his entire army. If Odin beat Kuurth's SUPERIOR yet was beaten in turn by SA Mangog, what chance does Kuurth have?Exactly.
Serpent in present is more powerful than Serpent a long time ago.
Boards don't hit back.
Durability and power output are two different things. I didn't see Odin tanking a hit from Serpent.
Kuurth is not inferior to Serpent. He will stomp both Serpent and Odin in a straight fight. He is Cyttorak stacked with Serpent's enchantment.
Originally posted by carver9Kuurth took on Hope. Who has outshone Thor both before and after Fear Itself.
I don't think it was outright stated that Nul and Thing was more powerful...it said they were the mightiest of the Serpents. If we look at fts, Kuurth has the durability edge while Nul has the strength edge. Kuurth didn't take on someone as powerful as Nul did though, (Thor), so he didn't get the chance to test his durability like the others did. So overall, its debatable.Also, it was stated on panel that Hulk is more powerful than Juggernaut, on more than one occasion. I would not consider them equals.
Originally posted by carver9To be more accurate, Hope damaged his helmet after a continuous assault by all the other X-Men, and then she fainted, and Kuurth wasn't even slowed down since he just reformed his helmet. And that's not what I was referring to when I mentioned Hope outclassing Thor. I don't even recall Hope ko'ing Thor. I'm talking about Bastion's dome that Thor spent hours trying to break through and Hope one-shotting it.
And hope damaged him. When she koed Thor, didn't she have a piece of the Phoenix in her whereas she didn't have that same luxury against Kuurth?
Originally posted by zopzop
H1a8, my friend, you need to understand something. SA Mangog punked Odin and all Asgard. Odin wrecked the Serpent, his Worthy, and his entire army. If Odin beat Kuurth's SUPERIOR yet was beaten in turn by SA Mangog, what chance does Kuurth have?Exactly.
Don't bother with the troll.He doesn't understand the concept of Mangog being a psionic being that feeds off the hatred of a billion billion beings.If he did, he'd realize that the only way SA Mangog can be defeated is by robbing him of his power source.Which happens to be the hatred of a billion billion beings.He even thinks Mangog can be killed or Knocked out.Yet failed to post scans of Mangog being knocked out.Let alone SA Mangog who steamrolled Asgard.Kuurth is incapable of Defeating SA Mangog since he doesn't have feats that shows he could drain away SA Mangog's power source.He's no Odin after all.And Odin died in robbing SA Mangog's power source the 2nd time.This only shows it took a lot of power from Odin to even rob SA Mangog of his power source.
Originally posted by Igniz
Don't bother with the troll.He doesn't understand the concept of Mangog being a psionic being that feeds off the hatred of a billion billion beings.If he did, he'd realize that the only way SA Mangog can be defeated is by robbing him of his power source.Which happens to be the hatred of a billion billion beings.He even thinks Mangog can be killed or Knocked out.Yet failed to post scans of Mangog being knocked out.Let alone SA Mangog who steamrolled Asgard.Kuurth is incapable of Defeating SA Mangog since he doesn't have feats that shows he could drain away SA Mangog's power source.He's no Odin after all.And Odin died in robbing SA Mangog's power source the 2nd time.This only shows it took a lot of power from Odin to even rob SA Mangog of his power source.
h1a8 also doesn't appear to understand that this is SA Mangog, seeing as he keeps using feats from current Mangog in his attempts to lowball SA Mangog's strength/power.
Originally posted by IgnizYet in all the battles with Thor SA Mangog wasn't getting noticeably stronger. We go by showings, not lies.
Don't bother with the troll.He doesn't understand the concept of Mangog being a psionic being that feeds off the hatred of a billion billion beings.If he did, he'd realize that the only way SA Mangog can be defeated is by robbing him of his power source.Which happens to be the hatred of a billion billion beings.He even thinks Mangog can be killed or Knocked out.Yet failed to post scans of Mangog being knocked out.Let alone SA Mangog who steamrolled Asgard.Kuurth is incapable of Defeating SA Mangog since he doesn't have feats that shows he could drain away SA Mangog's power source.He's no Odin after all.And Odin died in robbing SA Mangog's power source the 2nd time.This only shows it took a lot of power from Odin to even rob SA Mangog of his power source.
So all the times Mangog has struck Thor without koing or killing him doesn't count? What about the time Mangog hit Mjolnir back EQUAL to the strength of Thor's own right hand? That doesn't count either? It's PIS? If so, then what feats contradict it?
So basically you are using a no limits fallacy and saying that even Galactus, Celestials, or even the L.T. can't do shit to Mangog. According to you, Mangog must have infinite durability and not even TOAA or pre-retcon Beyonder can damage him directly.
Just because someone hasn't been knocked out doesn't give them infinite durability. We go off the highest they have shown as the top level of their durability. In other words, we go off feats to define power levels. Juggs barely felt the Godblast, yet it busted a Celestials inner dome. That's a greater durability feat than anything Mangog has ever shown. Kuurth has that same durability stacked with Serpent's enchantment.
Mangog might have the durability but he doesn't have the strength or power output to even scratch Kuurth or classic Juggs. But Kuurth has a chance to end Mangog in one shot, the unstoppable hammer which can crush Mangog's head.
Originally posted by Silent MasterSA is even worst though as he has 0 strength feats beyond herald level. His greatest strength feat is less than a class 100 one when he lifted a small bridge that had an army of Asgardians on it.
h1a8 also doesn't appear to understand that this is SA Mangog, seeing as he keeps using feats from current Mangog in his attempts to lowball SA Mangog's strength/power.
Also SA Mangog struck Thor multiple times and not koed him at all. Yes SA version.
Originally posted by Igniz
Don't bother with the troll.He doesn't understand the concept of Mangog being a psionic being that feeds off the hatred of a billion billion beings.If he did, he'd realize that the only way SA Mangog can be defeated is by robbing him of his power source.Which happens to be the hatred of a billion billion beings.He even thinks Mangog can be killed or Knocked out.Yet failed to post scans of Mangog being knocked out.Let alone SA Mangog who steamrolled Asgard.Kuurth is incapable of Defeating SA Mangog since he doesn't have feats that shows he could drain away SA Mangog's power source.He's no Odin after all.And Odin died in robbing SA Mangog's power source the 2nd time.This only shows it took a lot of power from Odin to even rob SA Mangog of his power source.
Originally posted by the Darkone
100% agree 👆
I addressed his post with this:
Originally posted by h1a8Thus he doesn't have a point.
Yet in all the battles with Thor SA Mangog wasn't getting noticeably stronger. We go by showings, not lies.So all the times Mangog has struck Thor without koing or killing him doesn't count? What about the time Mangog hit Mjolnir back EQUAL to the strength of Thor's own right hand? That doesn't count either? It's PIS? If so, then what feats contradict it?
So basically you are using a no limits fallacy and saying that even Galactus, Celestials, or even the L.T. can't do shit to Mangog. According to you, Mangog must have infinite durability and not even TOAA or pre-retcon Beyonder can damage him directly.
Just because someone hasn't been knocked out doesn't give them infinite durability. We go off the highest they have shown as the top level of their durability. In other words, we go off feats to define power levels. Juggs barely felt the Godblast, yet it busted a Celestials inner dome. That's a greater durability feat than anything Mangog has ever shown. Kuurth has that same durability stacked with Serpent's enchantment.
Mangog might have the durability but he doesn't have the strength or power output to even scratch Kuurth or classic Juggs. But Kuurth has a chance to end Mangog in one shot, the unstoppable hammer which can crush Mangog's head.
Originally posted by Igniz
Don't bother with the troll.He doesn't understand the concept of Mangog being a psionic being that feeds off the hatred of a billion billion beings.If he did, he'd realize that the only way SA Mangog can be defeated is by robbing him of his power source.Which happens to be the hatred of a billion billion beings.He even thinks Mangog can be killed or Knocked out.Yet failed to post scans of Mangog being knocked out.Let alone SA Mangog who steamrolled Asgard.Kuurth is incapable of Defeating SA Mangog since he doesn't have feats that shows he could drain away SA Mangog's power source.He's no Odin after all.And Odin died in robbing SA Mangog's power source the 2nd time.This only shows it took a lot of power from Odin to even rob SA Mangog of his power source.
Kuurth is juggernaut with serpent amps; which still are below SA Mangog would punk SA Odin who has he combine powers of his brothers, as where Odin defeated the Serpent before merging with his brothers powers. Kuurth has two enchantments one is fuel by Asgardian energy which SA Mangog feeds on; Kuurth gets hit so hard reverts back to Juggernaut and flees to go rob a bank.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Kuurth is juggernaut with serpent amps; which still are below SA Mangog would punk SA Odin who has he combine powers of his brothers, as where Odin defeated the Serpent before merging with his brothers powers. Kuurth has two enchantments one is fuel by Asgardian energy which SA Mangog feeds on; Kuurth gets hit so hard reverts back to Juggernaut and flees to go rob a bank.
Man, the Serpent was such a joke.
This thread should be closed for ridiculous spite.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Odin used the Odinsword and his special suit of armor to do that.Thor did the same, after all.
You probably overlooked that.
No I didn't, Odin defeated Serpent pre-odin-force amp. Kuurth is high herald with added abilities due to the serpent powers which was shown against the xmen; but facing a being that rage stomp all of Asgard which included SA Odin, Classic Thor and Loki etc with a such ease it's comically to believe that Kuurth stands a chance against a sky father level being that rivaled SA Odin. Nerkkod=Skirn=Mokk=Greithoth=Angrir= Kuurth=Nul=Thor <<<< Serpent </= Odin <SA Mangog
Originally posted by the DarkoneOdin banished the Serpent with the Odinsword and a special suit of armor.
No I didn't, Odin defeated Serpent pre-odin-force amp. Kuurth is high herald with added abilities due to the serpent powers which was shown against the xmen; but facing a being that rage stomp all of Asgard which included SA Odin, Classic Thor and Loki etc with a such ease it's comically to believe that Kuurth stands a chance against a sky father level being that rivaled SA Odin. Nerkkod=Skirn=Mokk=Greithoth=Angrir= Kuurth=Nul=Thor <<<< Serpent </= Odin <SA Mangog
Thor killed the serpent with the Odinsword and the same special suit of armor.
In the face of this, Odin's non-merger with his brothers, which in itself may be a non-fact due to the curious nature of the retcon, is rather irrelevant to all of this. That's my only point.
Originally posted by ODG
Odin banished the Serpent with the Odinsword and a special suit of armor.Thor killed the serpent with the Odinsword and the same special suit of armor.
In the face of this, Odin's non-merger with his brothers, which in itself may be a non-fact due to the curious nature of the retcon, is rather irrelevant to all of this. That's my only point.
I was making a general statement, beucase their is a troll that talks sh** and can't back it up what he is saying.
Kuurth is just more of high end Juggernaut with a little more versatility but he is in the same tier as Nul, Thor high herald levels facing a being who is equal or greater than his master and claiming Kuurth can beat a sky father being, that's like saying Thor can beat Odin or Gaea peers because he receive his powers and abilities from them, it aint going to happen unless of course PIS.