Originally posted by ODG
To be more accurate, Hope damaged his helmet after a continuous assault by all the other X-Men, and then she fainted, and Kuurth wasn't even slowed down since he just reformed his helmet. And that's not what I was referring to when I mentioned Hope outclassing Thor. I don't even recall Hope ko'ing Thor. I'm talking about Bastion's dome that Thor spent hours trying to break through and Hope one-shotting it.
Thor didn't exert close to the amount of power he used against Nul. His hammer strikes was even amped when he was wailing on Hulk.
^ Maybe I can't prove that he did, but the facts of the matter should speak for themselves. Thor exhausted himself hammering that forcefield for hours trying to weaken it. An all-out Hope destroyed it in one-shot.
Granted, Thor had weakened the forcefield quite a bit, but it's not like one more Mjolnir shot would have destroyed it. Far from it.
Originally posted by ODG
^ That is a separate conversation, I'll grant you that much.I'm just saying you can't sh1t all over Kuurth by lowballing Cul.
I wasn't lowballing Cul or shit on Kuurth; Kuurth is still a high herald versus a sky father bein in SA Mangog who would rape him then b***h slap Clu/Serpent like he did Odin. Kuurth is no wear near SA Mangog levels at all at best Kuurth could high herald or low trans still below Mangog.
Originally posted by carver9
No it wasn't. Where are you getting this from?
From here:
Juggernaut also said the did that before and he won. We all know that WWH beat Juggernaut because he was clever, and not by brute force.
And the fight against Nul is bad to gauge Thor. He was weakened in that battle (had a space/time cut in the belly).
Originally posted by ODG
^ Maybe I can't prove that he did, but the facts of the matter should speak for themselves. Thor exhausted himself hammering that forcefield for hours trying to weaken it. An all-out Hope destroyed it in one-shot.Granted, Thor had weakened the forcefield quite a bit, but it's not like one more Mjolnir shot would have destroyed it. Far from it.
But we both agree that Thor didn't do all of this, correct?
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
From here:Juggernaut also said the did that before and he won. We all know that WWH beat Juggernaut because he was clever, and not by brute force.
And the fight against Nul is bad to gauge Thor. He was weakened in that battle (had a space/time cut in the belly).
That fight doesnt prove anything though. Juggernaut would have ended up like evryone else did if the fight would have progressed.
Juggernaut did push him back before but he lost just like he lost when Hulk punched the wind from his stomach.
Where was it stated that Thor was weakened? You mustve forgot these words?
"I can't beat you you know, and I never could".
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
Originally posted by carver9I don't understand the question.
But we both agree that Thor didn't do all of this, correct?http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
Originally posted by eaebiakuyacorrect WWH knew he wasn't beating Juggernaut and was losing the fight so he had to BFR him
From here:Juggernaut also said the did that before and he won. We all know that WWH beat Juggernaut because he was clever, and not by brute force.
And the fight against Nul is bad to gauge Thor. He was weakened in that battle (had a space/time cut in the belly).
Originally posted by carver9
That fight doesnt prove anything though. Juggernaut would have ended up like evryone else did if the fight would have progressed.Juggernaut did push him back before but he lost just like he lost when Hulk punched the wind from his stomach.
No. Read the story. Hulk won via BFR. Not by brute force(he was losing the brute force contest). You imagining that he would be Juggernaut by brute force dont change anything...
Where was it stated that Thor was weakened?
In Thor 1-6, from the same Writter, Matt Fraction. There is no doubt that he has weakened. Before he fall down he just put his hands in his belly (the place where he was hurted).
"I can't beat you you know, and I never could".
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
This sentence said by Thor make no sense, since he alredy had beaten Hulk before (even killed him).
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
From here:Juggernaut also said the did that before and he won. We all know that WWH beat Juggernaut because he was clever, and not by brute force.
And the fight against Nul is bad to gauge Thor. He was weakened in that battle (had a space/time cut in the belly).
First of all WW Hulk was holding back when he was fighting Cain in this scene. He wasn't there to fight Cain or the X-Men that he was practically playing with, he was there to take Charles to Madison Square Garden. We see how powerful he becomes at the end of WW Hulk#5, and he was still holding back. Cain could barely budge him in this scene while he was holding back.
LOL...so are we resorting to What Ifs. Ok, I can play that game.
Here we have Gravage Hulk fighting the Xmen.
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/Scan010-1.jpg.html
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/Scan011.jpg.html
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/Scan014.jpg.html
And he takes them out. Well, the writer of this story thought of Hulk as a MAJOR THREAT because not only did he stomp the Xmen, he brought an army of Heralds to fight one guy.
The entirety of the Marvel U.
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/Scan015-016.jpg.html
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/Scan017-1.jpg.html
And Hulk withstood all of it until they shot him with adamantium bullets that injected some sleepy stuff into him.
So yeah, Hulk was treated like a Galactus level threat. Thumbs up.
Also, post that scan of Thor killing Hulk.
