It is about power, the position of the Voice was created specifically so that the Emperor could speak to his vassals with his full voice and power. A Sith would not so easily submit to being ruled by one weaker than themselves.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
A sith lord could also be cunning enough to make his fellow dark council members think twice before they call him a false prophet.
*False Voice. And no. Cunning only takes you so far in the Sith Empire. Which is precisely why the Emperor is the Emperor. With the entity and his powerbase intact Baras was easily more powerful than at least Thanaton imo.
Pfft, yeah maybe with his awesome fortunetelling power, Dark Councillor sister and power base he's above Thanaton (though Thanaton does still have a considerable amount of followers), but in terms of actual power in battle Baras isn't as good as Thanaton. Wasn't that the whole point of Act III, that Baras was untouchable..... because of his powerbase and after the Wrath dismantles it, he goes and kicks his ass?
I'm still not seeing your point about why Nox is so bad despite having the power of 6 Sith Lord-level Force Users. Just cuz she doesn't get much respect? Thats such bollocks.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
Having the entity certainly placed Baras in a more favorable position to move up, but now you're being misleading because we're talking about personal power and combat prowess, which Thanaton spanks him on.
Thanaton's feats consist of being owned by Darth Nox. That's it.
Baras on the otherhand has casually stomped Angral, made the Emperor's Wrath struggle.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Pfft, yeah maybe with his awesome fortunetelling power, Dark Councillor sister and power base he's above Thanaton (though Thanaton does still have a considerable amount of followers), but in terms of actual power in battle Baras isn't as good as Thanaton. Wasn't that the whole point of Act III, that Baras was untouchable..... because of his powerbase and after the Wrath dismantles it, he goes and kicks his ass?
With much difficulty still. The Wrath, even after dismantling his powerbase was far from guaranteed victory over Baras.
I'm still not seeing your point about why Nox is so bad despite having the power of 6 Sith Lord-level Force Users. Just cuz she doesn't get much respect? Thats such bollocks.
Sith Lord isn't a level. Jadus is almost certainly stronger than Nox considering people go insane simply standing in his presence + holding your warship together through an explosion is some Darth Nihilus level shit.
Also doesn't Vowrawn flat out state Baras is the strongest Sith on the Council. I may have to revise my list further.
Sith Lord isn't a level. Jadus is almost certainly stronger than Nox considering people go insane simply standing in his presence + holding your warship together through an explosion is some Darth Nihilus level shit
Thanaton and Nox are near the top of the list. Marr definitely has to be there. But Baras isn't as powerful as Thanaton, or Nox.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
Nox has to easily be the most powerful player character in TOR.
Eh?
I dunno, the 2 Jedi are both really good and have great feats. The Barsen'thor beat a Sith Lord who was amped by the power of hundreds of Jedi while she was weakened. And went on to defeat Vitiates First Son. I'd say shes about equal to Nox.
And the Hero of Tython is even greater than her. I know you don't believe the HoT legit beat Vitiate but she is still referred to as the Jedi's greatest champion, putting her above the Barsen'thor. Even if it wasn't Vitiate or that the Voice isn't as up to snuff the feat is insane considering she fought through Kaas City (which is an entire city of soldiers), Vitiates cult and the Imperial Guard just to get to him.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
Jadus is said to be second to the Emperor [b]by his own powerbase, so whether it's true or not, it's hearsay.Thanaton and Nox are near the top of the list. Marr definitely has to be there. But Baras isn't as powerful as Thanaton, or Nox. [/B]
Nope. Its said Jadus is second in power to the Emperor. Period. Considering this is stated by an Imperial Agent whose job is to know this stuff I'd take it as pretty reliable.
Thanaton and Nox may be more powerful than I think. But you are underestimating Baras imo.
Nope. Its said Jadus is second in power to the Emperor. Period. Considering this is stated by an Imperial Agent whose job is to know this stuff I'd take it as pretty reliable.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
That's not what it says. It's said "by people around Jadus" that Jadus is second in power to the Emperor. It's nothing more than hearsay.
Its more than hearsay.
The only other Sith that causes people to go insane with his presence is the Emperor.
Also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFm8jkNLCko
22:04
"As long as he has the spirit he cannot be defeated."
As I stated, Baras at the height of his power is more powerful than Thanaton.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
There's nothing to prove. He cannot bring the entity into a fight. Furthermore, the 2nd Wrath first had to destroy the entity, then his powerbase, to the point where it was only Baras. So since everything points to what I just said, you'd have to prove he was talking about a one on one fight.
Yes there is.
First, he destroyed the powerbase on Corellia then the entity.
Second, he was leeching power from the entity and feeding it to himself. That's why he gained such power. I don't have to prove that. He said Baras cannot remain on the Dark Council. The way to remove a member of the Dark Council is physically. Why the **** else do you think he'd kill the entity before Baras when he already got rid of all the dirt he had on the Councillors.
Also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bBUPDXb2I
1:48
Watcher Two: We can't fight him on our own. His power is second to the Emperor's.
Yeah, gonna go ahead and say that an Imperial Intelligence agent wouldn't just throw that around. Its their job to know who's the most powerful Sith in the galaxy.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Thanaton's feats consist of being owned by Darth Nox. That's it.Baras on the otherhand has casually stomped Angral, made the Emperor's Wrath struggle.
And owning Nox at the start of Act II when Nox was amped by the power of one of the greatest Sorcerers ever and Darth Crazypants McMurder. Its not like Nox was some random goober at that point either seeing as she was still able to kill powerful Jedi Masters and shatter stone with her lightning. And lets not forget that he beat a Child of the Emperor. Also he has extremely impressive lightning that created a vortex of energy and cracked the floor with its impact. SWTORE also refers to him as 'supremely powerful', possessing of 'insurmountable strength' and then several mentions of him being 'supreme' (Baras in comparison is only called 'powerful'😉.
Meh. That doesn't put him above Thanaton in my books.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
With much difficulty still. The Wrath, even after dismantling his powerbase was far from guaranteed victory over Baras.
Which only speaks about the Warrior imo. Up to that point they haven't done anything that makes me think narrowly losing to him is an impressive feat.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sith Lord isn't a level. Jadus is almost certainly stronger than Nox considering people go insane simply standing in his presence + holding your warship together through an explosion is some Darth Nihilus level shit.Also doesn't Vowrawn flat out state Baras is the strongest Sith on the Council. I may have to revise my list further.
It kind of is a level? Plus I'm fairly sure you need to be hot shit to become a Force Ghost anyway. And Voss Mystics and bamfs too. Either way Nox is hugely powerful to have their combined power.
Those two things about Jadus don't make him automatically above Nox. Him having an aura of pain (I don't recall him turning people insane with his presence) doesn't necessarily translate into power unless you think he's more powerful than Vitiate or Sidious. The warship thing is amazingly powerful. But that doesn't necessarily put him above other top-tier Sith either.
I don't know since I've only got to the end of the Warrior Prologue. But Darth Decimus calls Nox the most powerful Sith in generations if we're going just on peoples opinions. 😖hrug:
Yes there is.
First, he destroyed the powerbase on Corellia then the entity.Second, he was leeching power from the entity and feeding it to himself. That's why he gained such power. I don't have to prove that. He said Baras cannot remain on the Dark Council. The way to remove a member of the Dark Council is physically. Why the **** else do you think he'd kill the entity before Baras when he already got rid of all the dirt he had on the Councillors.
Yeah, gonna go ahead and say that an Imperial Intelligence agent wouldn't just throw that around. Its their job to know who's the most powerful Sith in the galaxy.
Originally posted by mstanford2912
[B]Yes..The entity was the center of his powerbase. So that proves my point. Secondly, the power he was leeching from the entity involved predicting the future and all those other things Kreia was good at, nothing involving combat. So once again, you have zero proof regarding Baras' combat prowess.
Sorry, but unless the agent has been around all of the other sith lords, this remains hearsay.
They'd have intelligence on all other Sith Lords. So yes its more than hearsay its intelligence. That's why its called Imperial Intelligence.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]And owning Nox at the start of Act II when Nox was amped by the power of one of the greatest Sorcerers ever and Darth Crazypants McMurder. Its not like Nox was some random goober at that point either seeing as she was still able to kill powerful Jedi Masters and shatter stone with her lightning. And lets not forget that he beat a Child of the Emperor. Also he has extremely impressive lightning that created a vortex of energy and cracked the floor with its impact. SWTORE also refers to him as 'supremely powerful', possessing of 'insurmountable strength' and then several mentions of him being 'supreme' (Baras in comparison is only called 'powerful'😉.
Which only speaks about the Warrior imo. Up to that point they haven't done anything that makes me think narrowly losing to him is an impressive feat.
Aside from slaying 2 Dark Councilors?
It kind of is a level? Plus I'm fairly sure you need to be hot shit to become a Force Ghost anyway. And Voss Mystics and bamfs too. Either way Nox is hugely powerful to have their combined power.
Uhh do you have proof?
Those two things about Jadus don't make him automatically above Nox. Him having an aura of pain (I don't recall him turning people insane with his presence) doesn't necessarily translate into power unless you think he's more powerful than Vitiate or Sidious. The warship thing is amazingly powerful. But that doesn't necessarily put him above other top-tier Sith either.
I thought Vitiate did. And Palpatine was much better at suppressing his power than perhaps any Sith Lord in history.
I don't know since I've only got to the end of the Warrior Prologue. But Darth Decimus calls Nox the most powerful Sith in generations if we're going just on peoples opinions. 😖hrug:
That's a planetary quest. Not a class quest if I'm not mistaken.