Originally posted by -Pr-
Regardless of Diana's state, the feat is still uber as **** due to the power and damage it wrought
Didn't say it wasn't. Just that carver had a point this time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you're saying despite all the evidence she wasn't KOED just because you say so without any kind of proof?
Your sole "evidence" was:
-Her eyes are closed, her ass is up.
Mine was:
-Ass up/Eye's closed position can be explained via "getting tossed".
Which is corroborated by:
-Several other things in the area was "getting tossed" by the force of the blast. People, rocks, mounts, etc.
-Her mount's position, particularly with it's legs thrown up and it's tongue prominently dangling UPWARDS (w/c if something that occurs when one was FALLING DOWN and not lying down) looks much more like something getting thrown than lying down.
-The fact that he "ass is up" seems to have more to do than her falling face first to the ground while mounted than it does with her napping.
From where I'm standing, you're actually the one more presenting less "evidence". Tho, admittedly, the art is quite vague.
Of course, if there are panels AFTER the scan is question and if you have more scans that would corroborate your opinion, then I'm more than happy to change my mind.
/shrug
Nib, I have to agree with you. It's 1 panel and it could just as easily be WW getting knocked over. KO'd = unconscious. The only way to prove she was KO'd by the blast would be if she were still down in another panel. But since we don't have that, it's all speculation and stating otherwise is adding to what's there.
Also, I'm sure what carver means is that eventhough WW will certainly lose to any of his precious Marvel characters, he doesn't have a hate agenda against her like he does other characters, so he says he's a fan. 😛
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Mine was:-Ass up/Eye's closed position can be explained via "getting tossed".
Ass down, eyes open, hands up and legs up usually means that the person is falling down but not ko'd
Originally posted by NibedicusWhich is corroborated by:
-Her mount's position, particularly with it's legs thrown up and it's tongue prominently dangling UPWARDS (w/c if something that occurs when one was FALLING DOWN and not lying down) looks much more like something getting thrown than lying down.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Ass up, eyes closed hands and arms below usually means knocked out.Ass down, eyes open, hands up and legs up usually means that the person is falling down but not ko'd
See.
The way you differentiate "fall down" from "lying down" is:
Fall Down/Lying Down
Eyes: Open/Closed
Hands: Up/Down
Lower Torso (aka Ass): Down/Up
Legs: Up when falling (you made no specific mention of it's position when KOd)
1. Eyes Open while falling, Closed when KOd: I disagree. Closing one's eyes while falling would be just as common if not more so common than keeping it open. Closing one's eyes is a natural response of the body to protect the eyes from harm, especially as one impacts the ground (w/c is what happened to WW here).
2. Hands up while falling /Down when KOd: During scenarios where one is STILL falling, this would be the case. I've already, however, explained in the previous post that it would SEEMS more like WW is instinctively protecting her head as she impacted the ground with her arms w/c is exactly what one would normally do in any scenario where one is thrown back and falling down with one's head being one of the first to impact the ground.
3. Lower Torso down while falling/Up when KOd: I don't get this, you're blasted back and falling head first, why the heck would the ass be down?
4. Legs: Up when falling: Check the scan, her left leg is up.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Nib, I have to agree with you. It's 1 panel and it could just as easily be WW getting knocked over. KO'd = unconscious. The only way to prove she was KO'd by the blast would be if she were still down in another panel. But since we don't have that, it's all speculation and stating otherwise is adding to what's there.Also, I'm sure what carver means is that eventhough WW will certainly lose to any of his precious Marvel characters, he doesn't have a hate agenda against her like he does other characters, so he says he's a fan. 😛
Lol...naah, I was one of the only peeps that said she could beat Thor in a fist fight. Gave her the majority against Glads, said she is the fastest hand to hand in the Herald class. I along with 99 is one of the only that gives her a lot of credit.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's just fear and ignorance at play.Remember when only a hand-full of people on this board actually read DC? When people would get mad because you'd tell them that no, Storm v Green Lantern wasn't a fair match, and that Wolverine wouldn't generally tag the Flash?
it went from people putting DC characteers in matches that were spite one way or another, to DC's readership on this board steadily growing until what we have now, which is FAR more balanced than it used to be.
People are just afraid that the big, bad DC character is going to somehow ruin their childhood by kicking the shit out of their favourite Marvelite.
That's one of those funny but true things. The first few years after I joined this site, it seemed like I was one of the only people who read more DC than Marvel. Nowadays, I am far from alone in that regard.
Admittedly, the quality of DC books as a whole has improved significantly over the last few years. In general, the New 52 really has done wonders for DC in terms of bringing in new fans, imo.
Originally posted by NibedicusI have an evidence, you just have an explanation. Don't confuse one with another.
Didn't say it wasn't. Just that carver had a point this time.Your sole "evidence" was:
-Her eyes are closed, her ass is up.
Mine was:
-Ass up/Eye's closed position can be explained via "getting tossed".
Which is corroborated by:How do you know they are not knocked out too? Are you saying batwoman, catwoman and giganta can take superman's HV and remain conscious?-Several other things in the area was "getting tossed" by the force of the blast. People, rocks, mounts, etc.
-Her mount's position, particularly with it's legs thrown up and it's tongue prominently dangling UPWARDS (w/c if something that occurs when one was FALLING DOWN and not lying down) looks much more like something getting thrown than lying down.Who gives a shit about the dog? Focus on wonder woman?
-The fact that he "ass is up" seems to have more to do than her falling face first to the ground while mounted than it does with her napping.So she would've just dusted herself off and attacked superman, right? She didn't. She appeared in final crisis 7 in mid book after several things happened.
From where I'm standing, you're actually the one more presenting less "evidence". Tho, admittedly, the art is quite vague.I'm producing evidences, you're just being obtuse.
Of course, if there are panels AFTER the scan is question and if you have more scans that would corroborate your opinion, then I'm more than happy to change my mind.I KNOW you're not changing your mind. Bada said it was a KO unless you present a scan saying its not a KO. The burden of proof is on you, not me. Or are you trying to challenge a mod ruling?
/shrugShrug all you want, its changing nothing. Wonder Woman got KTFO.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I have an evidence, you just have an explanation. Don't confuse one with another.
You providing the scan is NOT providing evidence of your interpretation of it.
Again, the only "evidence" you've provided is the easily disprovable "ass up, eyes closed" logic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How do you know they are not knocked out too?
Asking me to prove a negative now?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you saying batwoman, catwoman and giganta can take superman's HV and remain conscious?
When did I say that?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who gives a shit about the dog? Focus on wonder woman?
Seeing as WW seems to be mounted to the dog, meaning that they would most likely share similar states.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So she would've just dusted herself off and attacked superman, right? She didn't. She appeared in final crisis 7 in mid book after several things happened.
When did I say that? Where is all this coming from? All I said that the scan looks more like her being blasted back and falling on her face than it is her lying down KO'd.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm producing evidences, you're just being obtuse.
We are discussing an interpretation of the same scan. How can you think that since you provided the scan in question, it means that you provided evidence of your interpretation of it?
SMH. Come on, man.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I KNOW you're not changing your mind. Bada said it was a KO unless you present a scan saying its not a KO. The burden of proof is on you, not me. Or are you trying to challenge a mod ruling?
Bada's comment was based on the information he was provided, he is welcome to read my comments, discuss it and rule again from there.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Shrug all you want, its changing nothing. Wonder Woman got KTFO.
I disagree.
Nib, while it is possible that Wonder Woman wasn't knocked-out, your entire argument is because it's possible. Even if you're not saying she was for sure still conscious, you need a bit more than "we shouldn't assume that she was KOed because there's a little bit of doubt." Perhaps I'm biased, but I don't see there being enough doubt to not make the assumption she was KOed.
Originally posted by NibedicusOf course it does. I produced evidence on the most likely scenario. You are going against what was actually shown without any kind of proof whatsoever. Occam's razor or shit like that.
You providing the scan is NOT providing evidence of your interpretation of it.
Again, the only "evidence" you've provided is the easily disprovable "ass up, eyes closed" logic.How is it disprovable without any kind of proof?
Asking me to prove a negative now?No, I'm just asking for a proof. For all intents and purposes wonder woman was KTFO. Prove otherwise with actual proof.
When did I say that?You are saying that just because wonder woman was tossed doesn't mean she was KOED. Why when humans were tossed around too and they were definitely KOED.
Seeing as WW seems to be mounted to the dog, meaning that they would most likely share similar states.Wait, are you saying that the dog and wonder woman have the same durability? Hahahaha.
When did I say that?In your posts.
Where is all this coming from?Your obsessive nitpicking of every superman feat to death.
All I said that the scan looks more like her being blasted back and falling on her face than it is her lying down KO'd.And lying there eyes closed for half the book of Final Crisis 7 isn't KOED either. Who are you trying to fool here?
We are discussing an interpretation of the same scan.We're not. We're discussing your nitpicking.
How can you think that since you provided the scan in question, it means that you provided evidence of your interpretation?Because it shows what I'm saying and nothing of what you're saying.
SMH. Come on, man.No, you come on. I'm tired of your nitpicking and frankly everyone is. Why can't you accept something at its face value without nitpicking it to death?
Bada's comment was based on the information he was provided, he is welcome to read my comments, discuss it and rule again from there.It wasn't. He can see and read it just fine and he said she was KOED untill carver and alongside you can provide a proof otherwise. Do you have ANY kind of proof? Do you think I gave him incomplete information? What are you trying to prove here?
I disagree.Frankly, I don't give a damn.
Originally posted by Galan007😂
That's one of those funny but true things. The first few years after I joined this site, it seemed like I was one of the only people who read more DC than Marvel. Nowadays, I am far from alone in that regard.Admittedly, the quality of DC books as a whole has improved significantly over the last few years. In general, the New 52 really has done wonders for DC in terms of bringing in new fans, imo.
WW took a LOOOOOOONG time to find that penny she lost, because Superman attacked Bunker D, went inside, got Batman's body out of it, Darkseid explained his whoooooole plan to Superman and showed how he controlled everybody, then he pulled his gun out explained some more, flashes arriveed, Darkseid got Omega blasted and THEN, That was when Finally Diana arrived.
Considering that when WW got HV "pushed" She had already crushed the resistence in the battle of bludhaven and that the fight took place very close to Bunker D in FC #5, All I have to say is that she really took a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME, To find her penny.
Those are my two cents anyway. 😄
Oh and that is on the comics too