Right anyways I think it should be assumed that we ignore all the new children.
Revan is a relative unknown with a blade but I'd give that to Kun just for the simple fact that he created his own style and donkey stomped his teacher. In terms of force abilities, it's pretty even. I'd even give Revan the nod here but the wildcard is going to be the amulet blasts.
That Revan's feats simply don't compare to Exar Kun's. We'll get to lightsaber skills later, though I can say right now that Kun's got mroe going for him, but lets look at a comparison of Force Abilties:
Revan:
-Pushed open a blast door
-Caused a stone archway to collapse
-Force Pushed Vitiate
-Absorbed and redirected Nyriss's lightning
-Drew Karpyshyn said he believes he could collapse a building under the right circumstances.
-Healed himself pretty fast after his meltdown from Vitiate's lightning.
Exar Kun:
-With amulet blasts, has torn gaping holes in Leviathans, incinerated Sithspawn, and busted through stone walls.
-Using Sith Magic, he was able to freeze the minds of the entire Galactic Senate, which consisted of thousands of members.
-Telepathically destroyed the mind of the current Supreme Chancellor.
-During his time at the Jedi Praxeum, held 12 Jedi Knights in a Choke Hold at once.
-Ragdolled Sylvar, a renowned and notable Jedi Knight of the time.
-While influencing Kyp Durron, he taught him how to utilize Dark Side Tendrils--Which means he also knew the technique. DST's are beastly as hell, just look at Zannah vs Bane.
-Killed ancient Jedi Master Odan Urr with an unknown Force Attack.
-Heavily implied mastery of Force Illusions.
-Ritualistically drained the life forces of the entire Massassi race.
-Quite a bit more that I may get to later.
It's pretty clear that Revan's outstripped in a Force Contest alone.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
That Revan's feats simply don't compare to Exar Kun's.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Pushed open a blast door
Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Caused a stone archway to collapse
Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Force Pushed Vitiate
Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Absorbed and redirected Nyriss's lightning
Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Drew Karpyshyn said he believes he could collapse a building under the right circumstances.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Healed himself pretty fast after his meltdown from Vitiate's lightning.
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During confrontation with an Imperial Strike Team of 4 bad@sses, Revan utilized following talents to prevent it from striking him down:-
1. Asteroid pulling telekinetic feat to disorient Strike Team formation and effectiveness
2. FLS
3. Protective bubble which granted invincibility
4. Teleportation talent
5. Battle precognition
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Revan have knowledge of lot of Force powers and Sith applications. He is superior to even Sith Truimvirate in Force Mastery aspects.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's pretty clear that Revan's outstripped in a Force Contest alone.
I recall that Revan have extremely impressive telepathic capabilities as well:-
1. Telepathically forced the Rakatan(s) to communicate in Basic language with him without destroying their minds.
2. Telepathically influenced even the mighty Sith Emperor in subtle ways.
3. Could telepathically interact with/influence another Force-user across the span of galaxy.
Revan also knew about how to unleash Thought Bomb without a ritual and siphon energies from a potential target to fuel his own.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its also a possibility that she was amped off the power of goblin wishes and gumdrop smiles, that doesn't make it plausible to consider.
Originally posted by SJones91109
It's a possibility that you like dudes too so if we're going with your line of thinking, then anything's possible.
I am not imagining things about Nyriss without basis. My assumption is rooted in the canon information of her being proficient in the use of Sith Sorcery:
Neither Murtog nor Sechel made any sound to announce their presence, so Scourge took his cue from them and stood silently while Nyriss focused intently on the computer’s display. Her cloaked form blocked any view of the screen, so it was impossible for him to see what she was studying. However, he thought he could hazard a guess: Darth Nyriss was well known for her proficiency in the ancient arts of Sith sorcery.*
Perhaps Nyriss was not really as old as she appeared. A lifetime spent delving into the ancient secrets of Sith sorcery had given her one of the highest positions in the Empire. Maybe it had also drained her of her youth and vitality.*
*From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Exar Kun:-With amulet blasts, has torn gaping holes in Leviathans, incinerated Sithspawn, and busted through stone walls.
-Using Sith Magic, he was able to freeze the minds of the entire Galactic Senate, which consisted of thousands of members.
-Telepathically destroyed the mind of the current Supreme Chancellor.
-During his time at the Jedi Praxeum, held 12 Jedi Knights in a Choke Hold at once.
-Ragdolled Sylvar, a renowned and notable Jedi Knight of the time.
-While influencing Kyp Durron, he taught him how to utilize Dark Side Tendrils--Which means he also knew the technique. DST's are beastly as hell, just look at Zannah vs Bane.
-Killed ancient Jedi Master Odan Urr with an unknown Force Attack.
-Heavily implied mastery of Force Illusions.
-Ritualistically drained the life forces of the entire Massassi race.
-Quite a bit more that I may get to later.It's pretty clear that Revan's outstripped in a Force Contest alone.
I would err on the side of caution in regards to Kun's abilities as a ghost, since he did them after absorbing the energy of an entire race, as you said.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not imagining things about Nyriss without basis. My assumption is rooted in the canon information of her being proficient in the use of Sith Sorcery:Neither Murtog nor Sechel made any sound to announce their presence, so Scourge took his cue from them and stood silently while Nyriss focused intently on the computer’s display. Her cloaked form blocked any view of the screen, so it was impossible for him to see what she was studying. However, he thought he could hazard a guess: Darth Nyriss was well known for her proficiency in the ancient arts of Sith sorcery.*
Perhaps Nyriss was not really as old as she appeared. A lifetime spent delving into the ancient secrets of Sith sorcery had given her one of the highest positions in the Empire. Maybe it had also drained her of her youth and vitality.*
*From [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
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That she was a sorcerer is irrelevant. Force lightning isn't a sorcery technique and isn't known to be amped by sorcery. Your speculation is baseless.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Weren't those doors able to be opened by two men?
In addition, those doors were locked when Revan forced them open.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That she was a sorcerer is irrelevant. Force lightning isn't a sorcery technique and isn't known to be amped by sorcery. Your speculation is baseless.
You overlooked this information:
Sorcerers wield the power of the dark side to lay waste to their enemies. By bending the Force to their will, sorcerers also use the dark side to mend wounds and shield worthy allies. Whether cutting down a foe with a lightsaber or dominating them with a storm of Force lightning, a Sith sorcerer displays terrifying power on and off the battlefield. (SWTORE, Page 182)
Sith Sorcery is a pathway to unlock most potent/destructive dark side abilities and is not restricted in its use. Its main purpose is to grant a Force-user greater variety of options and effectiveness to influence his/her surroundings then norm.
My point is that Nyriss may or may not have bolstered her offensive options with her Sith Sorcery talent. But being a Sorcerer, it makes sense for her to do so when necessary. Her signature lightning was far more potent then norm.
In-fact, Nyriss seems to be a mashup of both Bane and Zannah, conceptualization wise.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Weren't those doors able to be opened by two men?
Revan
She motioned with her hand, and two of the soldiers stepped forward, one by each of the massive doors. Grunting with exertion, they pushed the doors inward; then they stepped to the side, standing at attention with their backs against the wall just outside the throne room’s now-open entrance.
Throwing boulders is Revan's best feat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I would err on the side of caution in regards to Kun's abilities as a ghost, since he did them after absorbing the energy of an entire race, as you said.
Even if he was more powerful, which honestly isn't true, it's unreasonable to assume that he learned new powers when he drained the Massassi. He already knew how to create the Tendrils.
Also--his absorption of the Massassi race went completely into keeping him alive everlastingly, not his combat prowess.
Force Spirits are actually rather weak compared to the original individuals.
Of course. His knowledge would be unaffected.
We can't be sure of that. When others such as Vitiate performed such a ritual it increased his power as well.
Do you have proof of that? I've heard it said by others but I've never seen anything stating it. The comics and TOR depict ghosts as incredibly powerful. No less so than a living person.
Because they're such pushovers that it's ridiculous. For instance:
-Marka Ragnos decided he'd be more effective in possessing Tavion then fighting himself.
-Freedon Nadd was 1 shotted by Exar Kun, despite being a formidable Sith Lord on tier with Orbalisk Bane.
-Exar Kun, for all of his power, was cut down rather easily by a couple of Jedi Knights. This would never have happened to his physical self.