Revan vs Exar Kun

Oh, and Freedon Nadd muses that he is eager to regain his physical form and taste true power again right before Kun betrays him.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Because they're such pushovers that it's ridiculous. For instance:

-Marka Ragnos decided he'd be more effective in possessing Tavion then fighting himself.

-Freedon Nadd was 1 shotted by Exar Kun, despite being a formidable Sith Lord on tier with Orbalisk Bane.

-Exar Kun, for all of his power, was cut down rather easily by a couple of Jedi Knights. This would never have happened to his physical self.

- Because then he could use his scepter to revive himself. Whereas if Jaden had killed Tavion he was ****ed even if he did manage to beat him. If not, he likely could have beaten Jaden since you need special techniques to affect spirits that Jaden didn't possess.

- I don't think any amount of power can help you if someone sticks a gauntlet of buttfvcking through your chest. Kun cheapshot him and took him down before Nadd could resist.

- I don't know anything about this, but wasn't he choking 12 Jedi in that book? He hardly seemed to be weak.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Freedon Nadd was 1 shotted by Exar Kun, despite being a formidable Sith Lord on tier with Orbalisk Bane.

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lol, Kun one-shotted Nadd who is orbalisk Bane level?

Orbalisk Bane said in RoT that he considers Freedon Nadd his equal, so I wouldn't say he's on so low a level as being one shotted by someone weaker than Orbalisk Bane normally.

Does he? Do you have the quote or scene where he says it? That would really boost my impression of Nadd.

The ritual Kun did made him powerful to the point his physical self was destroyed and had to be stopped by that wall of light technique. I am certain that Kun's spirit is more powerful than his physical self, which is why I don't think his feats from JA should be applied to his feats in DLOTS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Does he? Do you have the quote or scene where he says it? That would really boost my impression of Nadd.

Sure, just give me a bit to find it.

Alright, sorry, doesn't say quite what I remembered. The quote actually says that Bane believes his power measures up to powerful Sith Lords such as Freedon Nadd. Doesn't neccessarily mean he's saying they're on his level, though it's sorta implied.

Anyway, I don't actually regard Nadd to be on par with Orbalisk Bane per se, but the fact that Bane looks so highly upon him only to be one-shotted by Exar Kun's likes don't add up. And Nadd himself says that having a physical form will allow him to wield the power he once had, so that really sums up my actual point.

Originally posted by Nephthys
- Because then he could use his scepter to revive himself. Whereas if Jaden had killed Tavion he was ****ed even if he did manage to beat him. If not, he likely could have beaten Jaden since you need special techniques to affect spirits that Jaden didn't possess.

- I don't think any amount of power can help you if someone sticks a gauntlet of buttfvcking through your chest. Kun cheapshot him and took him down before Nadd could resist.

- I don't know anything about this, but wasn't he choking 12 Jedi in that book? He hardly seemed to be weak.

Ragnos entered Tavion to save the plan, which was to get a physical vessel that could house his immense spirit. His spirit could have beat Korr, but I suspect spirits are less stable to force attacks.

The spirits are powerful but can be easily dispersed with the force. Being able to manipulate the force allows a Jedi to affect spirits - that's why it's the Force.

And you know, Spirits are defenseless. Exar Kun was killed by vastly weaker opponents simply because they could slash him with a lightsaber and he had no way to defend against it because he's a ****ing spirit.

I would agree with that. Spirits are extremely powerful and can't be affected conventionally but are defenseless if you can affect them. In TOR the Inquisitor gets pwned by the first 2 spirits she meets but after getting the Force-Walking ritual they're all easily cowed before her without even fighting back.

However, SWTORE says this about them - "Sith entites tend to be powerful....impressed by the powerful Force spirits.......their dominating power."

The Emperor's commentary in The Essential Guide to the Force suggests that disembodied Sith seek physical reincarnation in order to "enjoy the pleasures of the flesh."

I'd need to consult the various sources, but I'm unaware of any EU source that intimates spectral form is more powerful than organic form or vice versa. Going off what Palpatine says, a physical body is probably more desirable because the Sith in question can then manipulate and interact with reality beyond Force use. Not to mention that while a body is free to go wherever it wills, a Sith spirits generally require some sort of cosmic anchor: sarcophagi, arcana, a dark side nexus, etc.

Thanks babe. 😉