Pokemon XD team Challenge

Originally posted by The Scenario
Rotom has Levitate, so it's immune to Earthquake. No need to use Protect there. It's why I like to pair Rotom with Gliscor, as they're immune to each other's spread STAB attacks. Dat Earthquake/Discharge combo attack.

So you start with Rotom and Gliscor, then yes, Jolteon and Houndoom might only take one shot of Earthquake, however, I wouldn't underestimate them, these two have survived much worse before. So I use Crunch on Gliscor and I have Jolteon use thunder on Rotom, hoping to make Gliscor flinch and take out as much of Rotom's HP as possible. This is also assuming that Jolteon and Houndoom are both faster than Gliscor and Rotom, or that there won't be a double one-shot with Earthquake.

Gliscor is likely faster than Houndoom. They have the same base speed but you said you focused on Sp. Att + Def for him while Scenario boosted speed.

Also Rotom resists electric so you won't be doing much damage there.

^ Embarrassment like this is what I get for not playing any versions past 3rd generation as much as I played the originals.

my team:

arceus
deoxys-A
zekrom
ho-oh
mewtwo
palkia

😛

All legendaries...nice. Didn't I ask people in the OP to limit the number of legendaries to 2 or 3 at most? Also, need movesets.

i'll just use my 3 legendaries against your entire team:

Arceus with Zap Plate
Recover
Judgement
Calm Mind
ice beam

palkia
spacial rend
hydro pump
Thunder
Rain Dance

Deoxys-A
Psycho Boost
Focus Blast
Calm Mind
dark pulse

All level 100s? Also what abilities do they all have (haven't played with Arceus or Palkia in a while, and never got Deoxys-A)

all lvl 100's

arceus- multitype
palkia- pressure
deoxys- pressure

Okay, I'll have you start with Arceus and Palkia, I start with Tyranitar and Jolteon. There is a sandstorm immediately from Tyranitar's Ability.

First Turn: I have Jolteon use Thunder on Palkia, taking advantage of the type-disadvantage, and I will have Tyranitar use Rock Slide, which hits both of your Pokémon. I assume you will use Hydro Pump with Palkia on Tyranitar, and then use Calm Mind with Arceus. Jolteon, being the fastest on the field, strikes first, taking out at least 1/3 of Palkia's HP (could be more, depends on his Sp. Def.) I assume that Arceus goes next. This makes it much more of a b!tch to beat. Palkia goes next, taking easily 2/3 of Tyranitar's HP with Hydro Pump. Now Tyranitar uses Rock Slide, cutting Palkia's HP by another 1/4, and taking at least 1/6 of Arceus's HP (again, what are his stats at?). All lose about 30 HP from Sandstorm.

2nd Turn: Jolteon uses Thunder on Palkia again, taking another 1/3 of the HP (again could be more). Arceus uses Ice Beam on Tyranitar, taking him out. I send out Walrien. You have Palkia use Spacial Rend on Jolteon, at cutting his HP by to least 1/2 (Sp. Attack stats?). The Sandstorm subsides when Tyranitar faints.

3rd Turn: Jolteon uses Thunder on Palkia again, ending his reign. So you now send out your Attack Deoxys. Arceus uses Judgement on Walrien, which at least cuts the HP by 2/3 at least without a STAB (does Zap Plate give a STAB?). Walrien uses Blizzard, affecting both Arceus and Deoxys, cutting Arceus down to 1/3 of his total HP left, and taking Deoxys down by 1/4 at least (STATS?)

4th turn: Jolteon uses Thunder again, focusing on Arceus this time, trying to take down the Pokégod, cutting him down to 1/8 of his total HP. Arceus uses Judgement on Walrien again, taking him out. I send out Houndoom. Now Deoxys uses Focus Blast on Houndoom, originally intended to take out Walrien had he survived the second Judgement. This takes out about 1/3 of Houndoom's HP due to the lack of a STAB (although the Attack stats with Deoxys-A could make a difference, I need the info for an accurate battle analysis).

5th Turn: Jolteon uses Thunder on Arceus, taking the Pokégod out finally. Deoxys uses Psycho Boost on Jolteon, taking him out. I send out Dragonite. Houndoom uses Crunch on Deoxys, taking him down to barely 1/4 of his total HP, if that.

6th Turn: Deoxys uses Dark Pulse (I'll let it hit both Dragonite and Houndoom) it causes Dragonite to flinch. Houndoom then comes in with another Crunch, taking out the attacking alien.

Your team should have some more filler Pokémon in it, just so you can do more damage with your legendaries while the opponent is distracted with your peons, taking damage all the while.

Deoxys is much faster than any of your pokemon, that I guarantee. That said, he'd oneshot almost all your pokemon with his insane spec. atk. Example: my Deoxys would one-shot walrein with focus blast easily. He'd also one-shot Tyranitar, houndoom, Jolteon, and Dragonite. Lugia would be two-shotted by dark pulse.

Originally posted by jmoul
So you start with Rotom and Gliscor, then yes, Jolteon and Houndoom might only take one shot of Earthquake, however, I wouldn't underestimate them, these two have survived much worse before. So I use Crunch on Gliscor and I have Jolteon use thunder on Rotom, hoping to make Gliscor flinch and take out as much of Rotom's HP as possible. This is also assuming that Jolteon and Houndoom are both faster than Gliscor and Rotom, or that there won't be a double one-shot with Earthquake.

Crunch has a chance of lowering Sp. Def (in 3rd gen) or Def (past 4th), not flinch. Might be confusing it with Bite.

Hm, there's something to consider. Past gen 4 is the Physical/Special split, so if we're using XD rules attacks would still be physical or special based on type. So Crunch is still a special attack.

Originally posted by jmoul
Okay, I'll have you start with Arceus and Palkia, I start with Tyranitar and Jolteon. There is a sandstorm immediately from Tyranitar's Ability.

First Turn: I have Jolteon use Thunder on Palkia, taking advantage of the type-disadvantage, and I will have Tyranitar use Rock Slide, which hits both of your Pokémon. I assume you will use Hydro Pump with Palkia on Tyranitar, and then use Calm Mind with Arceus.

Didn't bother to go farther with your analysis. Palkia will OHKO Ttar with Hydro Pump. Also Palkia is neutral to electric type attacks, but Jolteon's thunder will still do massive damage.

don't even bother with that. My Deoxys would one-shot most, if not all of his pokemon.

Okay, even if you have a massive Attack and Speed Stat with Deoxys, he doesn't have a STABed attack, and, in his Attack form, I saw on bulbapedia that his speed was not higher than Jolteon at least, even if maxed out. I know his speed would be much higher if he were in Speed Form.

For Palkia, Dragon is not resistant to Electric attacks, so Thunder is still super effective, and it is likely to at least half his HP.

The reason for inaccuracies in the legendaries analysis is due to the lack of those Stats that are maxed out, or the lack of stats completely, although I admit that I failed to give every stat for my team.

Um, Deoxys-a's base speed is 150. Jolteon's is 130. Deoxys-a is faster. Plus the fact he has 437 spec. atk, im pretty sure he'd one-shot most of your pokemon. Dragon is resistant to electric attacks. Look it up.

My Jolteon's speed stats are at 390 total. So it is hard to imagine Deoxys being much faster than that. I have fought link battles in XD with this team, and even against Deoxys (were no attack forms of Deoxys). He outran him unless it had agility Baton-Passed to him. Also, Houndoom has taken a cross chop from a Machamp with maxed attack and a Baton-Passed Swords Dance and that was with a STAB. So, Deoxys one-shots everybody on my team? Not likely

Deoxys has 410 speed for me...

i'm pretty sure 437 spec. attack deoxys-a can one-shot most of your team. I'd have to do calcs, but I highly doubt you'd survive a focus blast from my Deoxys. Even then my Palkia would one-shot tyranitar with hydro pump, and Dragonite with spacial rend.

I didn't doubt that Palkia could OHKO Tyranitar, nor do I doubt Spacial Rend would OHKO Dragonite after seeing his Special Attack stats, but what makes you think that I'd send out Dragonite without having taken out Palkia in the first place?

Does Focus Blast play off the Spec. Attack? I thought that all fighting moves were physical.

What makes you think you can take out Palkia so easily?

Focus blast= Spec. Atk. Pretty sure that and Aura Sphere are the only fighting spec. attacks.

We're mixing mechanics here.

In Gen 3 and before, and therefore Pokemon XD, moves were designated Physical or Special based on their type. All Fighting moves were Physical, and all Fire moves (even Fire Punch and Blaze Kick) were Special, for example.

However, in Gen 4 and beyond this was changed so that individual moves could be Physical or Special. So yeah, now Fire Punch is a Physical Fire move, but it was actually considered Special in all generations before 4th.

Since Focus Blast is a Gen 4 move, it was made with the Physical/Special split in mind, so it was created Special. However, under XD's rules, if Focus Blast existed then it would have been Physical just like all Fighting moves.