Originally posted by The Scenario
Because Ganondorf can recover from physical attacks like that? Or turn intangible and stuff.Alright, so I still don't know too much about Deathwing, so I'll be basing my thoughts on that trailer. Forgive me, I know not of what I speak.
Deathwing caused a flood. Ganondorf survived the gods flooding the world. The fire is iffy, since it's better than what Valoo has, but it still warrants mention that Ganondorf took a blast of dragon's fire to the face unscathed. Deathwing doesn't really do much else in the trailer, so I don't see him winning yet. Would need to know more about his magic, as just that physical stuff isn't going to do it.
Also, someone should explain to me why Deathwing having pikes and hot metal driven into his flesh by those rams is "agony" and why it indicates good durability. Where I stand it's not an impressive showing, as Ganondorf is easily strong enough pierce him in that case.
True, Ganon can reform, but it will still hurt like hell and I don't believe he can keep reforming indefinitely. Turning intangible is unlikely to help as intangibility is usually useless against powerful Warcraft beings. Ganondorf's best bet is to just teleport away, but even that might get shut down by Deathwing's considerable sorcerous abilities.
Yes, DW caused a flood, but a flood should be the least of Ganon's worries. I really hope the gods of Hyrule did not expect a flood, even a worldwide one, would kill Ganon. It's obvious that a guy like him will not be put down by a lot of water. About the fire, DW's breath is to "ordinary" dragonfire what dragonfire is to a flamethrower.
What you see in the trailer is just DW screwing around and being a bit of a douche. When he emerged from Deepholm, he caused a worldwide catastrophe with floods, volcanoes, huge gorges opening up in the earth and all that jazz. He would have eventually destroyed the whole world, too. He just needed some preparation, but was stopped.
The agony isn't really about being strapped with Adamantium, it's the fact that his body is in constant torment from the corruption of the Old Gods, having been at both ends of the Demon Soul, taking a nasty magical beating at the Well of Eternity, and his own madness. His body is kind of falling apart and it is indeed a weakness. Even still, his durability is immense and beyond anything Ganon can do to him.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Elaborate on this.
Like being able to take a beating from the other 4 Dragon Aspects and survive, being blasted by the Demon Soul so hard he was sent flying for hundreds(if not thousands) of miles, withstood the magical protections cast around the Well of Eternity(some of them were placed by Archimonde and possibly by the Old Gods). That's from the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
It might be a stalemate. They need the Dragon Soul to kill Deathwing and the Master Sword to kill Ganon. Lets throw Alduin in here since you need Dragonrend to kill him.
You don't 'need' the Soul to kill Deathwing, just like you don't need the MS or Dragonrend to hurt/kill Ganon and Alduin. It's a no-limits phallucy.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
True, Ganon can reform, but it will still hurt like hell and I don't believe he can keep reforming indefinitely. Turning intangible is unlikely to help as intangibility is usually useless against powerful Warcraft beings. Ganondorf's best bet is to just teleport away, but even that might get shut down by Deathwing's considerable sorcerous abilities.
Okay, guess I can accept that. Deathwing's apparently a powerful magic user, but it seems vaguely defined.
Yes, DW caused a flood, but a flood should be the least of Ganon's worries. I really hope the gods of Hyrule did not expect a flood, even a worldwide one, would kill Ganon. It's obvious that a guy like him will not be put down by a lot of water. About the fire, DW's breath is to "ordinary" dragonfire what dragonfire is to a flamethrower.
True, which is why the gods also included a Master Sword seal and a country wide Time Stop effect along with the flood. Admittedly, it took Ganondorf some time to escape that one. Still, physical effects shouldn't be the go to. Anything the fire has done in particular?
What you see in the trailer is just DW screwing around and being a bit of a douche. When he emerged from Deepholm, he caused a worldwide catastrophe with floods, volcanoes, huge gorges opening up in the earth and all that jazz. He would have eventually destroyed the whole world, too. He just needed some preparation, but was stopped.
Gotcha.
The agony isn't really about being strapped with Adamantium, it's the fact that his body is in constant torment from the corruption of the Old Gods, having been at both ends of the Demon Soul, taking a nasty magical beating at the Well of Eternity, and his own madness. His body is kind of falling apart and it is indeed a weakness. Even still, his durability is immense and beyond anything Ganon can do to him.
Based on the description of his durability, it seems like Warcraft is pretty relative in its power levels. Deathwing is more impressive for the big names he's gone up against, and so on? Though he does seem to have good collateral damage feats.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Okay, guess I can accept that. Deathwing's apparently a powerful magic user, but it seems vaguely defined.True, which is why the gods also included a Master Sword seal and a country wide Time Stop effect along with the flood. Admittedly, it took Ganondorf some time to escape that one. Still, physical effects shouldn't be the go to. Anything the fire has done in particular?
Gotcha.
Based on the description of his durability, it seems like Warcraft is pretty relative in its power levels. Deathwing is more impressive for the big names he's gone up against, and so on? Though he does seem to have good collateral damage feats.
Yea, his magical abilities are indeed mostly vague. He's quite adept at it, that much we know.
For one, his breath managed to inflict pretty severe damage to Alexstrasza. She can take 'regular' dragonbreath like nothing and that can vaporize steel.
Well, kind of, I suppose. But those names are big not without a reason. Warcraft is a pretty powerful universe. Of course, it's not always consistent, but what is?
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yea, his magical abilities are indeed mostly vague. He's quite adept at it, that much we know.For one, his breath managed to inflict pretty severe damage to Alexstrasza. She can take 'regular' dragonbreath like nothing and that can vaporize steel.
Well, kind of, I suppose. But those names are big not without a reason. Warcraft is a pretty powerful universe. Of course, it's not always consistent, but what is?
Well lets put it like this, Krasus a dragon that is archmage of the kirin tor, is said to be 1000 times less powerful then, Alexstrasza. So Deathwing being on her level or above is quite the mage.
I am not yet convinced. uhuh I don't think enough information has been exchanged for a call to be made one way or the other with much seriousness.
Deathwing can rearrange land masses and is the Earth Aspect, this doesn't translate to rearranging Ganon's face and is not really the power he'll be bringing to bear on Ganon who is not a land mass. Physically I'm not sure he's Ganon's match but meh.
Ganon's got his own super badass large scale feats to be pointed out as counterpoints to the cataclysm such as halting the flow of night and day or covering the entire great sea in a powerful storm, both with his power sealed away, and he frequently takes beatings from a sword that can cut continents (small ones, probably) out of the earth in single swings, in the hands of a character with varying levels of '**** you' strength. Two notably, OoT and TP Link.
http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/g.jsp
OoT Link gets the golden gauntlets. Golden gauntlets can move mountains. TP Link is likely the stronger of the two. shrug Ganon himself is a match for them in strength, proving stronger than OoT Link by disarming him, and forcing TP Link to use clear effort in their sword lock while weakened from a four round beat down.
Physically he may very well dominate Deathwing. Magically who knows. It could even end up a stalemate with neither able to destroy or KO the other.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Alright then, Sacred 117, is this enough convincing?
It's a start, but I still can't say. I have no working WoW knowledge, so the people you compared Deathwing to currently mean nothing to me. We may need a clearer definition of those people/entities. I know what to compare Ganondorf, so I have a better idea of his limits and capabilities. I guess I may just have to play WoW at some point, but it doesn't seem likely right now. I can only work with what I'm given. Besides, I'm not the only one you need to convince.