Originally posted by Galan007Mostly plaster. The load bearing concrete and steel is inside, the outside is softer materials put there for aesthetic purposes.
So again: what would you call the mass-amounts of rubble falling out of the hole(s) he made in the pillar, if not concrete..?
Despite that, Bane's still very strong.
Originally posted by Galan007
Bane shreds through solid concrete pillars without skipping a beat:
When Bane hit that pillar, he didn't appear to shatter more than one inch of the concrete layer on that pillar. That feat is hardly anything to try and compare to holding your own against a near-superhuman(whose abilities are on par with a Captain America level supersoldier) along with having the superior Vulcan MA/combat training.
Originally posted by Galan007
That doesn't look like plaster to me, tbh.
Maybe plaster is the wrong word, it's this spray on shit and it's somewhat brittle, you could easily punch holes in it with a small hammer.
It's impressive that he broke it without losing stride, but it's not the same as if he punched a solid pillar of concrete and smashed it.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerThanks for spewing a bunch of crap I don't care about. 👆
Most elite level RL martial artists can do that(shattering solid concrete), and it only takes 687 lbs to do so to a 1.5 inch thick piece of concrete.When Bane hit that pillar, he didn't appear to shatter more than one inch of the concrete layer on that pillar. That feat is hardly anything to try and compare to holding your own against a near-superhuman(whose abilities are on par with a Captain America level supersoldier) along with having the superior Vulcan MA/combat training.
I never said anything in regard to who wins this match. Just that in addition to Bane's other feats, he also beat the crap out of said pillar.
Originally posted by RobtardNah, spray-on stuff isn't usually that thick, and usually internal framework(ie. chickenwire) is visible if a hole is poked through it.
Maybe plaster is the wrong word, it's this spray on shit and it's somewhat brittle, you could easily punch holes in it with a small hammer.It's impressive that he broke it without losing stride, but it's not the same as if he punched a solid pillar of concrete and smashed it.
Really, the only way to know for sure what the pillar was made out of is if we know whether or not it was load-bearing.
Originally posted by Galan007
Thanks for spewing a bunch of crap I don't care about. 👆I never said anything in regard to who wins this match. Just that in addition to Bane's other feats, he also beat the crap out of said pillar.
That's because you secretly know that Bane is no match for Spock, but want to deny your hidden feelings for Nu-Trek. Come out of the closet, my friend. Or I may have to summon The Quan.
Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, spray-on stuff isn't usually that thick, and usually internal framework(ie. chickenwire) is visible if a hole is poked through it.Really, the only way to know for sure what the pillar was made out of is if we know whether or not it was load-bearing.
The outer layer isn't thick at all, you can see it clearly on the cracked parts. The wire mess isn't always used.
Considering we can see some hollowness inside, it's not load bearing. That or it's like I previously said, loading bearing and solid in the center with an aesthetic exterior and that's what bane punched through, the much softer exterior.
So, a decorative pillar? Otherwise, isn't the purpose of a pillar to bear weight?
It's been a while since I saw the flick: was there something in the fight scene to suggest this was a non-load-bearing pillar (other than its exposed interior)? For myself, I see a pillar, I think it's holding up something heavy.
I have a feeling the movie people were just looking to make Bane look strong without him looking too superhuman, so they played a bit with pillar structure.
Many pillars, especially in the type of fancy buildings you see in a downtown environment, tend to have a mostly hollow, decorative outter-shell around the workhorse center of the pillar. Case in point, at the building I used to work at one would think that the pillars outside the lobby
would be solid through and through. But when they renovated the lobby and demo'd the pillars, it turns out that the outter surface is actually a shell of concrete about two or three inches thick, with the inner "guts" of the pillar, the actual concrete/steel beam that supports the building, being a few inches behind the outter shell.
That said, shattering the outer layer of that pillar with a casual swing was still an impressive strength feat for Bane.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._Cool. Thanks.
Many pillars, especially in the type of fancy buildings you see in a downtown environment, tend to have a mostly hollow, decorative outter-shell around the workhorse center of the pillar. Case in point, at the building I used to work at one would think that the pillars outside the lobbywould be solid through and through. But when they renovated the lobby and demo'd the pillars, it turns out that the outter surface is actually a shell of concrete about two or three inches thick, with the inner "guts" of the pillar, the actual concrete/steel beam that supports the building, being a few inches behind the outter shell.
That said, shattering the outer layer of that pillar with a casual swing was still an impressive strength feat for Bane.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Beating Khan is still a better feat (even with the stun guns) than beating an old-man batman.
He didn't just beat Batman. He destroyed him. Paralyzed him. Humiliated him. The stealth tactics didn't work, he literally punctured Batman's cowl with his bare fists, and tossed him around like a rag doll from a bottom position. Not buying all this "old Batman" shit. He was still making trained, armed thugs look like cannon fodder.
Khan, obviously, isn't human but Spock fired a phaser at him countless times. How is that more impressive than Bane first showing?
Originally posted by RobtardWire mesh is almost always used. The stucco-esque crap must have something to 'cling' to-- flat surfaces aren't sufficient. Furthermore, a piece of the material beginning to sluff off after Bane hits it doesn't exactly prove your point, imo. After all, Bane clearly punched much further into the pillar then that piece is thick.
The outer layer isn't thick at all, you can see it clearly on the cracked parts. The wire mess isn't always used.http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9257/ddeg.png
Considering we can see some hollowness inside, it's not load bearing. That or it's like I previously said, loading bearing and solid in the center with an aesthetic exterior and that's what bane punched through, the much softer exterior.
Personally, I believe Nolan used that sequence to showcase how effing hard Bane hits. I doubt very highly that he[Nolan] would have placed a very specific close-up scene in his film in which Bane goes ape-shit on a pillar, if any random guy could walk up to that same pillar and punch holes in it. none
Originally posted by dadudemonChrist, I just noticed that.
Dude, those stuntmen are pretty badass. His head gets punched pretty hard and flings back from the impact. A+ to the stuntmen in that scene.
That is very impressive on the stuntman's part. 👆
if a pillar is made of solid reenforced concrete it will likely not have a plaster/stucco/whatever cover on it. there would be no reason and in fact would needlessly cheapen its surface appearance and feel as well as add to the cost of construction. facades/coverings/whetever are meant to cover up less aesthetically pleasing materials. it would be the equivalent of making a 24K gold ring coated with copper.
they dont have to paint concrete since its easy and inexpensive to add pigments to it.
it can be easily sculpted and smoothed & textured.
these things you describe could certainly be done as well, but again it makes no sense to do it since it add to cost while cheapening appearance.
im willing to accept that the pillars were intended to be concrete but the set design crew ****ed it up.
here's a google-result company site that makes concrete pillars:
http://www.aristonedesigns.com/material.html
Concrete products can be used both inside and outdoors. Their extreme durability and low cost make them the ideal choice for long term outdoor use. Integral color can be achieved by adding iron oxide pigments to the concrete during manufacturing. Aristone offers 16 standard concrete design mixes (colors).All products are available in smooth (form) finish, 2 levels of sandblast, distressed (air hammered) Coral textured finish and our Ari-Stone ( Old World ) textured finish.
finishes:
http://www.aristonedesigns.com/material.html#Colors
Originally posted by Galan007
Wire mesh is almost always used. The stucco-esque crap must have something to 'cling' to-- flat surfaces aren't sufficient. Furthermore, a piece of the material beginning to sluff off after Bane hits it doesn't exactly prove your point, imo. After all, Bane clearly punched much further into the pillar then that piece is thick.Personally, I believe Nolan used that sequence to showcase how effing hard Bane hits. I doubt very highly that he[Nolan] would have placed a very specific close-up scene in his film in which Bane goes ape-shit on a pillar, if any random guy could walk up to that same pillar and punch holes in it. none
What we're looking at is a model designed to break, and no, the wire mesh isn't always used, there's other materials like fiber-sheet that are used since it's cheaper and more easily handled/molded.
So indeed what we're arguing is what the director is trying to convey. Bane punching through a solid concrete pillar or Bane punching through the aesthetic facade of a pillar. I personally choose to believe the later from the crumbly and hollow look. Still makes Bane incredibly strong, but not super-human like Captain America or the like. I don't think it was ever Nolan's intention to introduce true super-humans in this universe.
