The Hero of Tython vs Exar Kun

To be more correct, I don't think we can assume how much if at all it impacted the amulet's powers, since said powers were tied to Kun's rage and in all interactions and narration are shown to be amplifying Kun rather than being itself amplified. It could very well be the case that Kun is getting a buff, but we can't argue the amulets outside of the context in which they are presented, and that context explicitly does not mention a nexus.

Also, when the hell did millions die? Exar Kun was DLotS for all of six months before the entire Jedi Order burnt Yavin IV trying to isolate him. I don't recall this directly in the comics.

Well he did blow up Ossus. And didn't his forces attack Coruscant?

Oh right. Totally spaced on that one. Good catch.

My memory is augmented.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
lol @ Kun>Vitiate. Vitiate is canonically the more powerful one.

An argument could certainly be made.

Furthermore, the Vitiate the HoT did defeat was canonically weakened (although also on a DS nexus) plus the fact that he could beat Vitate does not necessarily mean he could defeat Kun.

Ultimately, I see the HoT having a very hard time getting past the amulet blasts.

The HoT does have very good defenses.

And she's hot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The HoT does have very good defenses.

Sure, but how is he going to be able to defend against the blasts? Dodge them?

Force Shield? Tutaminis? Maybe block them with a lightsaber?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And she's hot.

My gals half darkside so she's all veiny and creepy looking.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wouldn't base this off canonical statements since these:

"The most powerful and dangerous of all Sith Lords, Exar Kun was once the apprentice of the Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas" (The Official Star Wars Fact File)

were applied to Exar Kun.

Vitiate was alive at the time, still building up his Empire, so would that not indicate Kun is more powerful than him? Even if he were only 'once' the most powerful Sith, that would still imply he was more powerful than Vitiate was in the time he lived.

Well, when was such a statement made? Wasn't it before the character Vitiate was even created? That's a contradiction in canon, as Vitiate has been said in many sources as the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Force Shield? Tutaminis? Maybe block them with a lightsaber?

Admittedly, I didn't beat the JK story-line. But has the HoT ever shown any aptitude in those first two skills?

As for blocking it with a lightsaber, perhaps.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Force Shield? Tutaminis? Maybe block them with a lightsaber?

My gals half darkside so she's all veiny and creepy looking.

Dark Side corruption looks retarded on almost everyone. True Sith turn into rotten salmon.

Originally posted by ares834
Admittedly, I didn't beat the JK story-line. But has the HoT ever shown any aptitude in those first two skills?

As for blocking it with a lightsaber, perhaps.

Yeah, the guy who beat Vitiate doesn't know how to do a force shield or tutaminis. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, the guy who beat Vitiate doesn't know how to do a force shield or tutaminis. 😬

Thought it was obvious, but I was wondering if there is evidence that he can use it to such a high level where he could defend himself against Kun's amulet blasts.

You think a lightsaber could absorb an amulet blast like it does lightning? Not sure how that'd go.

Originally posted by ares834
Thought it was obvious, but I was wondering if there is evidence that he can use it to such a high level where he could defend himself against Kun's amulet blasts.

Well the HoT might block possessed Kira's lightning with a shield? Its unclear but it looks that way:

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6. 45. Could be a glitch.

And in their fight with Vitiate they resist his wave:

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2.40. I just think that if they could take everything Vitiate can dish out, they can likely do the same for Kun.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]I wouldn't base this off canonical statements since these:

"The most powerful and dangerous of all Sith Lords, Exar Kun was once the apprentice of the Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas" (The Official Star Wars Fact File)

were applied to Exar Kun.

Vitiate was alive at the time, still building up his Empire, so would that not indicate Kun is more powerful than him? Even if he were only 'once' the most powerful Sith, that would still imply he was more powerful than Vitiate was in the time he lived.

Oh, Neph...
Those statements are from 2005 and 2009 specifically, both points in time when Vitiate wasn't even invented. Such things can't be ignored. If they were, you could also say that Kun was "the darkest power in the Galaxy" (don't recall the source where to find this quote) when the Galaxy did host the Star Forge, Vitiate, The Son, Abeloth and several dark side nexus at the same time. Doesn't make much sense.

You make a good argument. So you don't believe the temple amplified the blasts or the power of the amulet?

To be honest: I doubt that the temple even hosted those "tremendous energies" before Kun conducted his ritual draining the Massassi. At best, they could have been a dark side nexus, due to the presence of Naga Sadow and the Massassi. Even a strong one. But that doesn't turn people into force gods or does "boost" their abilities on a considerable level. The Sith that have died on Korriban (dark side nexus) and the Jedi that died in the Temple on Coruscant (light side nexus) could tell you as much...

Originally posted by Nai
Oh, Neph...
Those statements are from 2005 and 2009 specifically, both points in time when Vitiate wasn't even invented. Such things can't be ignored. If they were, you could also say that Kun was "the darkest power in the Galaxy" (don't recall the source where to find this quote) when the Galaxy did host the Star Forge, Vitiate, The Son, Abeloth and several dark side nexus at the same time. Doesn't make much sense.

Oh I know. I pay no mind to those sources. I generally disregard all such claims of being 'the most powerful'. I was just pointing out to XSUPREMEXSKILLZ how his argument can be easily turned on its head.

Originally posted by Nai
To be honest: I doubt that the temple even hosted those "tremendous energies" before Kun conducted his ritual draining the Massassi. At best, they could have been a dark side nexus, due to the presence of Naga Sadow and the Massassi. Even a strong one. But that doesn't turn people into force gods or does "boost" their abilities on a considerable level. The Sith that have died on Korriban (dark side nexus) and the Jedi that died in the Temple on Coruscant (light side nexus) could tell you as much...

When was this quote said? I had assumed it was made when Kun arrived there, but if it was from the Jedi Academy era, then I'd say obviously we can't say thats reflective of it in Kuns time there.

I agree with that latter part though. People such as Gideon or Silver over on comicvine really overvalue the power of a nexus and often use it to senselessly disregard showings and feats in my opinion.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, when was such a statement made? Wasn't it before the character Vitiate was even created? That's a contradiction in canon, as Vitiate has been said in many sources as the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed.

Of course, even though my point to Nai above stands, I'll point out that it doesn't have to be a contradiction. Since according to SWTORE Vitiates power is constantly increasing he could easily have just surpassed Kun after the latters death and stolen the title of histories most powerful Sith from him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh I know. I pay absolutely no mind to those sources. I generally disregard all such claims of being 'the most powerful'. I was just pointing out to XSUPREMEXSKILLZ how his argument can be easily turned on its head.

No. Even if It stated Exar Kun was the most powerful, that is overridden by newer canonical sources claiming Vitiate's superiority over Kun.

But I do agree that I always found the, "But he was on a nexus!" argument to be a little mysterious.