The Hero of Tython vs Exar Kun

Started by Nephthys4 pages

I edited my response. Look again for my reply to that.

Yeah just saw that.

Anyway:

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
No. Even if It stated Exar Kun was the most powerful, that is overridden by newer canonical sources claiming Vitiate's superiority over Kun.

But I do agree that I always found the, "But he was on a nexus!" argument to be a little mysterious.

Yeah, I agree. Mostly because I don't care, but I don't pay attention to say, Sidious being said to be the bestest ever since peeps like Vitiate (or Darth Nox) weren't even around when those sources were written.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, when was such a statement made?

Kun's accolade from the Fact File came from 2001; the Encyclopedia entry in 2008.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Wasn't it before the character Vitiate was even created?

Yep.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That's a contradiction in canon, as Vitiate has been said in many sources as the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed.

Not necessarily. Kun might have been more powerful at the time and Vitiate surpassed him later, after Kun's death. The encyclopedia reworded and retconned the Fact File and opened the door for Kun's successors to surpass him.

Meh, I still agree that Sidious is the strongest, considering we still have DE Sids running around. But once that wall is knocked down by Episode VII...

Aren't the only good things Sidious does in DE use Force Storm and get Judo thrown by pregnant Leia?

I forget, why do we see that incarnation as obviously the most powerful Sith Lord ever again?

Because he has not only his extensive experience and force mastery, but a young body to go along with it? Because Sidious himself says he felt far more powerful than he ever was (doesnt he?) Plus considering it took DE Luke being amped by Leia's BM just to beat Sidious in a saber duel...

Originally posted by Nai
To be honest: I doubt that the temple even hosted those "tremendous energies" before Kun conducted his ritual draining the Massassi.

No, the text issues that quote as Kun regains consciousness inside the temple after having been captured by the Massassi.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because he has not only his extensive experience and force mastery, but a young body to go along with it? Because Sidious himself says he felt far more powerful than he ever was (doesnt he?) Plus considering it took DE Luke being amped by Leia's BM just to beat Sidious in a saber duel...

Young bodies that are being killed by his power and iirc were corrupted? Couldn't that just as easily be detrimental to his prowess as helpful?

And I dunno about him saying he was more powerful and meh, DE Lukes not all that.

If DE Sidious literally just gets out of the cloning facilities in a fresh new body, i'm pretty sure he's far more powerful than RotS Sidious. However, extended time in the same body would weaken him. But for the sake of this, we say it's Sidious in a fresh young clone.

DE Luke TK'd an AT-AT, did he not? Plus he was being amped by Leia.

The Ultimate Visual Guide says Palpatine studied in the Force to become more powerful during his recovery on Byss.

And DE!Luke withstood an AT-AT's blasters, then deflected a second salvo back with his lightsaber, then brought it down with negligible TK.

He's not top fiver material by any means, but he's damn good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well the HoT might block possessed Kira's lightning with a shield? Its unclear but it looks that way:

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6. 45. Could be a glitch.

Seems like she is supposed to be killing Angral there.

?

The lightning is nowhere near Angral? Its aimed at the Knight's head, with Angral on the ground.

Yeah, due to shitty ingame graphics.

*shrug*

We see Kira shoot the lightning, Angral die, and the HoT turn pretty much simultaneously. There is even a scene where it zooms in on Angral dieing with Kira shooting lightning in the background and then Kira pulls Angral's lightsaber to herself. That's what I see. I certainly don't see the HoT using the force to block it.

Edit: Certainly unclear though.

Why would Vitiate kill Angral? The former considered the latter vastly important.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Why would Vitiate kill Angral? The former considered the latter vastly important.

Well, Angral was defeated and presumably dying or at least badly wounded. And he wanted Angral's lightsaber I guess.

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, due to shitty ingame graphics.

*shrug*

We see Kira shoot the lightning, Angral die, and the HoT turn pretty much simultaneously. There is even a scene where it zooms in on Angral dieing with Kira shooting lightning in the background and then Kira pulls Angral's lightsaber to herself. That's what I see. I certainly don't see the HoT using the force to block it.

Edit: Certainly unclear though.

The lightning is stopping in midair right behind the Hero's back. What, is it going to boomerang down and kill Angral? I say its being blocked because, well it stops in midair as if striking a barrier.

Angral just died of his wounds.

When the lightning is "blocked" the HoT isn't even looking at Kira. In fact, he turns in, what appears to be, surprise when she shoots the lightning. Furthermore, there is no animation showing the HoT blocking the lightning. It just doesn't reach him.

The only conclusion that can successfully be drawn here is that TOR sucks.

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