Kingdom Come Superman Vs Ultraman (DCnU)

Originally posted by Galan007
Pandora stated that the CoE represented a higher power than Spectre himself:

And in the DCnU, Spectre=God's desire for justice:

That being said, Black Adam killed every member of the CoE, before being imprisoned by the Wizard:

But as you can see, even the Wizard seems terrified of him.

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He's also not particularly vulnerable to magic, evidently.

Well I though she meant God himself, but anyway. Let's see how they will bring Ulty down. I hope it takes a team effort or an sundipped Supes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ultraman beat the christ out of Black Adam, with little more than a bloody nose to show for it(although the 'battle' did force Ulty to replenish his k-nite reserves afterward.) He also tanked BA's magical lightning:

Ultraman: ""SHAZAM"? How silly." 😂 classic.

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At the end of the issue, BA is still KTFO:

Ultraman wins.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Well I though she meant God himself, but anyway.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Let's see how they will bring Ulty down. I hope it takes a team effort or an sundipped Supes.

But remember: currently both Owlman AND Luthor are plotting against Ultraman behind the scenes. Thus it may not be the 'heroes' who bring down Ultraman/the CSA at all... In fact, I doubt it will be.

Originally posted by zopzop
DC continuing to sh|t on the Marvel clan. 👇

I like how every character must have impressive showings, and must do well in every single battle, otherwise they are getting "shit on" by their respective company.

This comic was simply a means for Johns to show us that Ultraman is on a completely different level than most other characters, as BA was easily one of earth's elite superpowers. BA's beating will serve as further incentive for Luthor to swiftly gather his team of uber villains to fight the CSA, as 1 uber villain is clearly not enough.

You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there."

I just think Adam lost waaaayyy too easy. They should have made the fight a lil more drawn out imo. This is Adam we are talking about, he should not have been defeated like that.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there."

Aside from that, using Surfer as the benchmark for heralds has always been ridiculous, imo. The guy has stepped WAY outside his 'weight class' WAY too consistently for him to be grouped with the other heralds. His title as a "herald of Galactus" shouldn't be the deciding factor in limiting him to the herald tier... But that's neither here nor there.

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I agree about the Surfer comment.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there."

Wow, wow calm down digi! No need to become agressive!

Run people, run!

Originally posted by carver9
I just think Adam lost waaaayyy too easy. They should have made the fight a lil more drawn out imo. This is Adam we are talking about, he should not have been defeated like that.

Originally posted by zopzop
DC continuing to sh|t on the Marvel clan. 👇

They always do.. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
If no herald can duplicate that feat(and I don't believe any of them can), then Ulty would obviously be above the herald tier, no?

Aside from that, using Surfer as the benchmark for heralds has always been ridiculous, imo. The guy has stepped WAY outside his 'weight class' WAY too consistently for him to be grouped with the other heralds. His title as a "herald of Galactus" shouldn't be the deciding factor in limiting him to the herald tier... But that's neither here nor there.

But by the same token, if you look at anyone in Trans., it's generally agreed that they would beat Surfer, even granting him those "above the weight class" feats. And squeezing face really hard doesn't come close to half a dozen that I can think of off the top of my head. The same could be said for Thor, Kal, etc. and the same argument would still apply. I could easily imagine a not-holding-back Pre-Flashpoint Superman getting a good showing like that too. Does it make him Trans?

It's a good feat. He chumped a guy who's probably HH, but may end up mid by the time he gets more feats. But, like, when I see SBP smash teams of heralds at the same time, that screams Trans. to me. Not a good 1-on-1 feat, no matter how impressive.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Wow, wow calm down digi! No need to become agressive!

Run people, run!

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Originally posted by Digi
But by the same token, if you look at anyone in Trans., it's generally agreed that they would beat Surfer, even granting him those "above the weight class" feats. And squeezing face really hard doesn't come close to half a dozen that I can think of off the top of my head.

It's a good feat. He chumped a guy who's probably HH, but may end up mid by the time he gets more feats. But, like, when I see SBP smash teams of heralds at the same time, that screams Trans. to me. Not a good 1-on-1 feat, no matter how impressive.

I think of it a bit more simply: if a character can beat a HH with ease, and tank said HH's most powerful attack in the process, that character is almost certainly beyond the HH tier-- not saying Ulty must be a high-end trans-leveler, like Prime or Thanos, but placing him at the lower end of the trans-tier is perfectly fair, and moreover logical, imo. Like I said earlier: I believe the Ulty/BA battle was Johns' way of showing us that Ulty is simply beyond any singular earthly/herald-level foe.

Originally posted by Galan007
Very few HH's would beat Surfer, due to either CIS(he doesn't always fight to his maximum ability) or some sort of vulnerability exploitation, like high-end telepathy. However, this does not change the fact that Surfer has numerous feats WELL beyond his weight class. As I said: he's stepped beyond the HH tier far too often for him to confined there, imo. However, I do understand why people have a block on reclassifying him-- after all, he has been considered THE paramount herald-leveler for YEARS now.

I think of it a bit more simply: if a character can beat a HH with ease, and tank said HH's most powerful attack in the process, that character is almost certainly beyond the HH tier-- not saying Ulty must be a high-end trans-leveler, like Prime or Thanos, but placing him at the lower end of the trans-tier is perfectly fair, and moreover logical, imo. Like I said earlier: I believe the Ulty/BA battle was Johns' way of showing us that Ulty is simply beyond any singular earthly/herald-level foe.

Agree to disagree then. I just dislike placing too much importance on a single feat.

And just know you're setting yourself up for a nasty kerfuffle when Superman beats Ulty. 😉

Originally posted by Digi
Agree to disagree then. I just dislike placing too much importance on a single feat.

And just know you're setting yourself up for a nasty kerfuffle when Superman beats Ulty. 😉

I've already thought of that, believe me. I'm hoping that by then, Ulty will have accumulated several more higher-end feats to help soften the blow a bit *crosses fingers* 😛

...But in all seriousness, I think it will be Luthor and his villain team-up or Owlman that beats Ulty.

Galan, your wanking of Surfer sickens me.

^ Meh, I don't even like Surfer, but there's no denying his feats.

Also, truth hurts, etc. vegetajv2

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Meh, I don't even like Surfer, but there's no denying his feats.

Also, truth hurts, etc. vegetajv2

😂

I am a Surfer fan, funnily enough.

Joking aside, I do agree that he could easily be classified as trans. In fact, I think the top 3/4 heralds could easily be pushed up there too.

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Originally posted by Digi
You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there."