I think carver saw this post of mine, and thought YES! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN TRIED WITH WBH BEFORE!!!
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because when the Doctor gets it together, and isn't cowering in fear (as he was during the Lobo fight) he can bleed all of the Hulk's energy off into multiple realities, or turn it into music, or turn it into butterflies, or all of the above.
Wont work though...especially against this version of Hulk that has complete control of his energy. Lets not forget, the guy was turned to stone and was able to revert back to normal and this was Grey Hulk. Lets also not forget, someone shrunk him down to the size of a mouse and he was able to revert himself back with pure power alone. Good try though.
Originally posted by carver9
Wont work though...especially against this version of Hulk that has complete control of his energy. Lets not forget, the guy was turned to stone and was able to revert back to normal and this was Grey Hulk. Lets also not forget, someone shrunk him down to the size of a mouse and he was able to revert himself back with pure power alone. Good try though.
So you have....nothing?
Originally posted by carver9
Wont work though...especially against this version of Hulk that has complete control of his energy. Lets not forget, the guy was turned to stone and was able to revert back to normal and this was Grey Hulk. Lets also not forget, someone shrunk him down to the size of a mouse and he was able to revert himself back with pure power alone. Good try though.
Originally posted by Digi
Explain to me how he beats the Doctor, presuming he's not high on drugs and is actually fighting intelligently. Doctor could swallow the sun and breath it into Hulk's anus. He could kill Banner at age 2. He could turn his arms into puppies and his legs into a hip-hop song.
The matter manip. extends to Hulk's brain, since I'm guessing carver might try to say Hulk reforms his body from puppies and music. It would probably be somewhat harder if the grey matter in his skull doing the reforming is suddenly turned into men's cologne (also a canon feat, not just something random).
If it were me, I'd pull an evil Doctor trick and retroactively change Hulk's past. Without BFRing himself, he managed to give Angie different childhood memories by placing himself in them. I'd insert myself into Banner's childhood so that he was the happiest child ever, and didn't have the stores of rage necessary to fight. That would be the cruelest way to beat Hulk, though hardly the most efficient.
Point is, carv, Doctor has too many options, and it's doubtful any level of gamma energy or punching would even harm the Doctor, even WBH levels. When he's not high or distracted, as he wouldn't be in this fight, it would take a lot more to harm him.
Ironically, if the fight is on Earth, Hulk's best bet would be to destroy the planet and ignore the Doctor. Doctor has a link with the Earth and would undoubtedly be KO'd by the mental trauma. A gimmicky win - it wouldn't work with any other battlefield setting - but viable. Problem is, Doctor would win the fight anyway well before that.
Originally posted by carver9
I agreed with you. If the Doctor fought with any common sense and realized how powerful the Hulk is, yes, he could end it. If Hulk gets off the first attack, it is done and he has the speed to do that.
First attack? Can Hulk attack faster than thought? Doctor has reformed his entire body - including his brain while in the heart of the sun. As soon as he's concentrating, this is a stomp. Speedblitz is only applicable at Flash-level speeds.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't know much about the Doctor, but he seems like a real bastard to fight, lolQuick question, tho.
In the eventually where Hulk attack first, and goes for the thunder clap... How well would the Doctor takes it?
Check the respect thread Digi made....he could turn all of the energy from the clap into rain (which is what he did with an explosion. Or a gentle summer's breeze. He can time travel etc etc.
Then you have people like the Midnighter, who punches things, and Swift, who ....flies really fast. As Digi said, a real lopsided team.
Probably the most badass moment for the Doctor was his casual conversation with Jackson King on the Stormwatch base. Doctor had detected that the universe had recently been remade (Cpt. Atom: Armageddon). King asks him who has that kind of power and the Doctor says "Me." Then goes on to explain it wasn't him though. They transition the conversation, and Doctor reveals that he's created a new body for Winter, a low herald energy absorber, with the same powers and abilities. When you can create your own heralds and it's not even terribly strenuous, you know you're operating at a different level.
Hulk's a monster. I don't deny him anything anymore. Legit high herald in most incarnations, with his more powerful incarnations able to trade blows with even more powerful entities and levels. WB is almost certainly > HH, and can hang with most of Trans. But the Doctor is on an entirely different level, and has too many ways to win. I'm not convinced he even belongs in Trans., though CIS has often kept him from exploring the possibility that he's even higher when unleashed.
Originally posted by Digi
First attack? Can Hulk attack faster than thought? Doctor has reformed his entire body - including his brain while in the heart of the sun. As soon as he's concentrating, this is a stomp. Speedblitz is only applicable at Flash-level speeds.
👆 I can't think of anything to counter your argument.
By the way, yes, Hulk has recently shown that he is capable of moving faster than thought.
Originally posted by carver9
👆 I can't think of anything to counter your argument.By the way, yes, Hulk has recently shown that he is capable of moving faster than thought.
LoL, nonsense. That would put him on the level of the Sentry, who appeared miles and miles across the city behind the Punisher, before the Punisher could even comprehend it.
People are blowing the artwork in the current Hulk run way out of proportion with the blurred drawings and stuff like that. The Hulk is still slow. He can leap "fast", but that's it. He can't even run fast, because at one point he will start losing traction. He HAS to leap.
With that being said, he has been semi-BFRed in one of the last issues out of a castle and you could see him on the horizont running back, but the people in the castle were totally relaxed, because they knew he would need at least 30 seconds to get back. That's a distance actual speedsters travel in a heartbeat.