Originally posted by Intrepid37
lol
If Anakin could force both The Son and The Daughter into submission; yeah, I don't think that highly of them after this.
Also, is it true that The Son unleashed Force lightning on Obi-Wan and the latter handled it?
Obi Wan was incapacitated instantly, and the Son most likely didn't want to kill him either. He's actually beaten all 3 of them (anakin, ahsoka, obi wan) in a span of 4 seconds. He was also a key component in defeating abeloth, and abeloth wasn't being somehow weakened like against Luke. prime condition abeloth>>>>>>Vitiate in terms of power. Some people say that he collapsed some mountain with force lightning, but I can't find it.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Obi Wan was incapacitated instantly, and the Son most likely didn't want to kill him either. He's actually beaten all 3 of them (anakin, ahsoka, obi wan) in a span of 4 seconds.
Vitiate stopped Revan's charge with just a single bolt; later on, incapacitated him with his FLS in extremely short duration (might have utterly destroyed him, if T3-M4 had not interfered). And I don't think that Revan needs introduction, right?
In addition, Vitiate can comfortably break Anakin, Ahsoka and Obi-Wan with his telepathic influence without even dueling them within a span of few seconds (the former 3 would be defenseless in this matter). Just a minor mental brush from Vitiate can reduce even a powerful Force-user to a trembling sycophant.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He was also a key component in defeating abeloth, and abeloth wasn't being somehow weakened like against Luke.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
prime condition abeloth>>>>>>Vitiate in terms of power.
I think you are possibly underestimating Vitiate a lot.
After second confrontation with Revan, Vitiate significantly expanded his personal powerbase and demonstrated Abeloth like capabilities by creating Voices and Children. He possessed the Voices himself and powered thousands of Children deployed in different parts of the galaxy. All of this was possible because he siphoned energies from large number of individuals by this time. Keep in mind that Vitiate had also granted liberty to his other minions to draw upon his power to fuel their own, if necessary, such as The Imperial Guard. This is why Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia asserts that Vitiate was continuously increasing in power with passage of time.
Problem with beings such as Abeloth and Vitiate is that you cannot use Midichlorian argument in their case. These beings use unnatural ways to function; they draw or siphon energies from other individuals; the more, the better.
Check the accolades section of this thread: The key term is "Force-user." Not Sith Lord. 😉
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Some people say that he collapsed some mountain with force lightning, but I can't find it.
Originally posted by ares834
It's straight up confirmed in the Mortis trilogy.
Problem with G-canon works is that such works assume Sith as mortals just like Jedi. Sidious is a mortal in G-canon works and therefore a valid comparison for revelations regarding Mortis.
Originally posted by ares834
Not sure what the "Sith argument" is... I was talking about this: "There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."
I never doubted The Ones as possible "contenders" for the spotlight of most powerful beings in the mythos holistically. However, Star Wars: The Old Republic have introduced some contenders of its own with Vitiate and World Razer. Interesting, all of these are ancient beings.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But the Sith got way better in the future! Even though the showings of PT era Maul, Dooku and Sids don't hold a candle to Vitiate.
After the demise of Vitiate's Sith Empire, Sith underwent serious decline. Then Bane came and uplifted the Sith once again.
Originally posted by ares834
Not sure what the "Sith argument" is... I was talking about this: "There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."
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Damn formatting
The Son and Daughter (stupid, stupid names) are literal manifestations of the Force and, as such, are above even extraordinary Force users.
Stealth Moose
Also, reading through all these feats and items kind of shakes up the impression I had of Vitiate. That is disgusting levels of Force mastery.
Your overuse of your new favorite adjective is disgusting.
Stealth Moose
But the Sith got way better in the future!
I'd say so. Palpatine does in ~40 years what Vitiate couldn't in ~1400. excellent
Stealth Moose
Even though the showings of PT era Maul, Dooku and Sids don't hold a candle to Vitiate.
lol
Mr. Chee didn't "confirm" anything; his statement is just his opinion. Unless his opinion is canonically validated, it is disputable. In-fact, the person who asked him the question about "most powerful Force-user," admitted that this is subjective topic and he wanted to know the opinion of Mr. Chee in this regard.
Also, this whole "Palpatine does in ~40 years what Vitiate couldn't in ~1400" mantra is biased and misleading. Circumstances surrounding both the Sith Lords are vastly different in the mythos. In-fact, Vitiate's interference in galactic affairs did eventually lead to destruction of the Jedi Order and Republic weakened to the point that it could be easily conquered. But Vitiate was not able to capitalize on these accomplishments because of influence of Revan.
Originally posted by The Merchant
But Leland Chee is the keeper of the holocron, IIRC 2nd only to Geuroge Lucas.
However, what goes in the lore is typically reflective of more then opinion of just one individual.
Furthermore, George Lucas is no longer the boss of Star Wars related works.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Mr. Chee didn't "confirm" anything; his statement is just his opinion. Unless his opinion is canonically validated, it is disputable. In-fact, the person who asked him the question about "most powerful Force-user," admitted that this is subjective topic and he wanted to know the opinion of Mr. Chee in this regard.Also, this whole "Palpatine does in ~40 years what Vitiate couldn't in ~1400" mantra is biased and misleading. Circumstances surrounding both the Sith Lords are vastly different in the mythos. In-fact, Vitiate's interference in galactic affairs did eventually lead to destruction of the Jedi Order and Republic weakened to the point that it could be easily conquered. But Vitiate was not able to capitalize on these accomplishments because of influence of Revan.
