Movie Kurse vs Superman MOS

Started by wakkawakkawakka8 pages

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't even know why this is an issue. Marvel heroes do kill, and they don't shy away from it when it needs to be done. Ironman killed like a dozen terrorist in cold blood when they were holding people hostage. Captain America shot down and even knifed hydra soldiers. No need to even mention Thor and Hulk.

DC heroes on the other hand like to play dark and gritty and all, but they shy away from killing. They have this notion that they can be vigilantes and save mankind from crazy and sometimes superpowered villains without killing.

Personally, that's why I prefer Marvel heroes. Just more badass all around.

But everyone loves Marvel heroes as of late even though they have absurd body counts on top of Collateral damage. Also wasn't the government trying to nuke New York in the off chance it would stop an alien invasion.

Agreed.

Except when they're not badass *coughIM3cough*. Really though Phase 2 has focused a tad too much on humor...which is weird since MoS wasn't in a light tone at all.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But everyone loves Marvel heroes as of late even though they have absurd body counts on top of Collateral damage. Also wasn't the government trying to nuke New York in the off chance it would stop an alien invasion.

Agreed.

Except when they're not badass *coughIM3cough*. Really though Phase 2 has focused a tad too much on humor...which is weird since MoS wasn't in a light tone at all.

Well I can't speak for anybody, but for me the reason I prefer Marvel heroes despite their willingness to kill is because they know what they need to do and they do it. They may or may not feel guilt over it but whatever complaints they have they suck it up and do what needs to be done.

DC heroes come off as a bit contradictory, because they're going outside the law to deliver justice, they're using violence as a means for justice, and yet they're afraid to kill. Heck, they're afraid to even maim or seriously injure their opponents. It just really seems stupid when you're using violence to stop injustice and yet whine when you get people hurt.

That's like a guy saying he wants to be a soldier, trains to be a soldier, and then refuses to pull the trigger in the battlefield because he doesn't want to hurt anyone.

Kurse, easily.

Superman FTW

Destroyed a world engine; endured the might of a black hole.

Kurse beats the sh1t out of him.

MoS Superman is much weaker than his former carnations, but his feats are still better than anything we actually saw Kurse do.

Superman powered through a planetary terraformer. It literally shot through one end of the planet out the other side.

What does Kurse have to compare?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
MoS Superman is much weaker than his former carnations, but his feats are still better than anything we actually saw Kurse do.

I am not sure how enduring the might of a blackhole makes him much weaker.

MoS depicts Superman in the process of self-discovery; he continues to learn something new about himself with passage of time. By the time Zod & Co. arrive, Superman have honed his talents to great degree but I think that he have more left in him in the context of reboot series.

He didn't withstand the power of a black hole.

The grenades obviously worked in the same manner as a black hole, but I'd like to see evidence that hey exterted the same amount of gravitic pressure as an actual black hole.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
He didn't withstand the power of a black hole.

The grenades obviously worked in the same manner as a black hole, but I'd like to see evidence that hey exterted the same amount of gravitic pressure as an actual black hole.


He resisted the pull of the black hole. Their are signs of tearing on his face when he pulls away from the black hole.

Also, it is black hole. Big or small, black holes are unprecedentedly powerful phenomenon.

-Zod said "black hole" in the beginning of the film.

-Dr. Emil Hamilton said "singularity".

-General Swanwick asked "like a black hole?" in response.

-Superman confirmed.

Survey says: There were black holes in MoS and Superman overpowered himself away from one's pull.

There was a glaring plot error in that scene though, Lois Lane for some unknown reason is seemingly immune to the pull of a singularity. She fell downward while large chunks of buildings and cars where being torn off and sucked up, even other Krytponians couldn't resist. She also survived utterly unscathed while Superman showed a little discomfort when powering away from the gravitational pull.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman powered through a planetary terraformer. It literally shot through one end of the planet out the other side.

What does Kurse have to compare?


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Originally posted by Nephthys
To quote myself:

"It's actually pretty funny, I sat down to rewatch the climax of Avengers in comparison to Man of Steel to see just what about it was more heroic and satisfying to more discerning fans.

In no particular order; the following happens:

-The first Leviathan they destroy ends up exploding into a million chunks, it's corpse raining down upon a crowd of bystanders who run away in terror as it destroys a few cars.

-Hulk rampages through a crowded office building, jumps out the window onto another Leviathan, and then redirects BACK into the same office building. I can only imagine how many people were injured by shattered glass as Hulk jumps from building to building.

-Tony leads dozens of mooks and a Leviathan throughout the streets, as they explode Star Wars style into buildings and into the streets. This is despite Tony saying several times that they need to keep off the streets.

-Thor and Hulk double team another one of those stupid Leviathans, killing it and hurling its corpse down into what I can only assume is Grand Central. Once again a crowd of bystanders scream in terror as they desperately try and get away. Also worth noting that these stations were where Cap told one of the officers to start redirecting civilians to, in order to get them out of the way. Guess Thor and Hulk didn't get the memo.

It's true that the Avengers do show concern for civilians like...two times? They get some people off a bus and Cap tells some police officers to do their jobs, because apparently emergency workers have never been trained in the art of evacuating people. I guess ultimately my biggest problem with it, is that it feels so dishonest. Sanitized and squeaky clean, despite the fact that it clearly involved a death toll as large as Man of Steel's, but unlike Whedon, Goyer never shies away from the fact that it was a tragedy. Superman cries not only at the death of the Zod, but his failure to save everyone the way Jor-El knew he could. Tony thinks everyone should go out for schwarma. That displays a hell of a lot more disregard and apathy to the destruction than Kal ever did.

Meanwhile, I sneakily re-watched the final fight in Man of Steel and guess what? Superman doesn't punch Zod through any buildings. Not one. He does smash his face into some glass windows and knock him through a few construction girders, though. What an evil bastard."

Anyone arguing that the Avengers were pure heroes who caused no destruction or death is a goddamn liar. And yet people only ever complain about MoS when the Avengers cause just as much damage as Supes does and are equally as reckless as him.


You're just a marvel hater.

uhuh

J/K.

Superman wasn't near the center of the black hole though. He flew to catch Lois while Lois was falling, and by that very fact -that Lois was falling instead of being sucked into the blackhole- that should show you just how weak the pull of the black hole was at that distance.

So, not really a good feat for Superman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman wasn't near the center of the black hole though. He flew to catch Lois while Lois was falling, and by that very fact -that Lois was falling instead of being sucked into the blackhole- that should show you just how weak the pull of the black hole was at that distance.

So, not really a good feat for Superman.

As explained above, the Lois thing was a stupid plot point, as cars and large chunks of nearby buildings were being sucked up.

Zod's people and Superman's face being 'pulled' was an SFX to show us the intense gravitational pull.

Originally posted by Robtard
As explained above, the Lois thing was a stupid plot point, as cars and large chunks of nearby buildings were being sucked up.

Zod's people and Superman's face being 'pulled' was an SFX to show us the intense gravitational pull.

Yes, it was contradictory. My point however was that it showed how far Superman was from the center of the black hole. If the heaviest thing that the blackhole was sucking from that distance was cars, then it's not a huge strength feat for Superman considering he can easily toss cars.

The black hole thing's only real error is the Lois thing.

Thankfully the Terraformer feat more than makes up for it.

Originally posted by Robtard
As explained above, the Lois thing was a stupid plot point, as cars and large chunks of nearby buildings were being sucked up.

Zod's people and Superman's face being 'pulled' was an SFX to show us the intense gravitational pull.

He called you out. Quit ignoring this due to fanboyism.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, it was contradictory.

My point however was that it showed how far Superman was from the center of the black hole. If the heaviest thing that the blackhole was sucking from that distance was cars, then it's not a huge strength feat for Superman considering he can easily toss cars.

Stupid plot errors happen, they needed a Lois rescue scene it seemed.

It's still a black hole and it was powerful enough to affect Superman somewhat, tells me it was plenty powerful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He called you out. Quit ignoring this due to fanboyism.

Adults are debating, I know you hate MoS despite not watching it, but do be quiet.