Originally posted by Allankles
As I said, I beg to differ. I think he's powerful but he's outdated, he is still stuck in the Vong Era. He better step up his arsenal before bringing his pms that way.
You might like if he, say, removed his vong implants, gained a new uber-technique, got more powerful and generally stepped up his game in every respect?
Yeah, that sure would be neat, huh.
Originally posted by Petrus
Lmao.Based on what, exactly? You've given us nothing but "Korr's a saberz pr0digy" and that means squat. Prove up. Krayt actually has good stuff to his name, give us something as impressive as Krayt's done.
His whole career... 🙄 From year one to current has been full of good work, unlike Krayt who gets his butt kicked and gets himself zombified, because his primitive tusken ways can't make him think past morbid.
Give me a break, Kor is a weapons master peeps. He's going to be challenged by this guy but that's about it. The guy makes himself a loser and expects to get respect from Kor, please!
Originally posted by Nephthys
You might like if he, say, removed his vong implants, gained a new uber-technique, got more powerful and generally stepped up his game in every respect?Yeah, that sure would be neat, huh.
Basically, yes. Krayt should move on, he's presently just a morbid sado masochist. The kind of guy Kor would annhilate, especially after Krayt pulled that stunt on him 3 years ago.
Originally posted by Allankles
Basically, yes. Krayt should move on, he's presently just a morbid sado masochist. The kind of guy Kor would annhilate, especially after Krayt pulled that stunt on him 3 years ago.
Hmm mmm. Still, I think that if Krayt DID do that stuff, he could probably beat Korr quite easily.
Originally posted by Allankles
As I said, I beg to differ. I think he's powerful but he's outdated, he is still stuck in the Vong Era. He better step up his arsenal
His arsenal of force lightning, TK, dark transfer, force illusions, shatterpoints, force drain...
I'm curious where you think there is to expand to!
And current Krayt would indeed get his butt kicked, u know 44 aby Krayt after being fatigued with the Abeloth issue.
Uh, I *think* fighting Abeloth like that would be beyond Korr!
Originally posted by Allankles
Basically, yes.
The joke is he did just that.
Originally posted by Allankles
Kor and co. already know how to deal with vong warrior caste armor, and Kor has better armor since he's pals with D'Aye Azur Jamin, a fellow former apprentice of Katarn's. So, even in the armor stakes, he's got squat on Kor.
Krayt discarded his armor when he overcame his Vong growths and revived himself from death, a process that greatly increased his power.
And 'has fought people in armor' hardly says much when facing a much more powerful foe in armor 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
His arsenal of force lightning, TK, dark transfer, force illusions, shatterpoints, force drain...I'm curious where you think there is to expand to!
Everyone has a force arsenal, but not everyone has a alternative weapons and tech arsenal. Not everyone has tesseracts, not everyone has weapons mods, and lightsaber mods.
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, I *think* fighting Abeloth like that would be beyond Korr!
Considering Kor fought a not too dissimilar Rakatan force entity designated 'Mother' and prevailed, I beg to differ there as well!
Originally posted by Q99
The joke is he did just that.Krayt discarded his armor when he overcame his Vong growths and revived himself from death, a process that greatly increased his power.
And 'has fought people in armor' hardly says much when facing a much more powerful foe in armor 🙂
Btw, you do know that Jaden Korr was 'killed' by Iteration, a One Sith agent, right?
That was after he was killed 🙄 first. He didn't do it on his own volution, the mark of the loser mad warrior.
Originally posted by Allankles
Considering Kor fought and not too dissimilar Rakatan force entity designated Mother and prevailed, I beg to differ there as well!
Aside from Abeloth being one of the most powerful force entities of all time, Jaden Korr *didn't* beat Mother, but rather realized his team couldn't win directly so blew up the station instead.
Originally posted by Allankles
That was after he was killed 🙄 first. He didn't do it on his own volution, the mark of the loser mad warrior.
He did it entirely on his own volution, he only did it at that point because he gained the tools to do so maybe half-an-hour before. That, and being pushed to extremes tends to bring out the strongest effort.
Also, Jaden didn't chose to be transfered into a clone of his own violation, his apprentice did it because a One Sith agent mortally wounded him.
Originally posted by Q99
Aside from Abeloth being one of the most powerful force entities of all time, Jaden Korr *didn't* beat Mother, but rather realized his team couldn't win directly so blew up the station instead.
Which makes her appear more powerful, not less!
Originally posted by Q99
He did it entirely on his own volution, he only did it at that point because he gained the tools to do so maybe half-an-hour before. That, and being pushed to extremes tends to bring out the strongest effort.
Eeh! The main excuse for his fall was always closely tied to his embrace of pain and his forcible merger with crab armor by Vergere and her goons. So... his clingin on to his pride at this disgraceful treatment was a bit much...to say the least.
Tres PMSy, basically. He would have been cooler if he was more like Jerec, and would have made more sense too.
Originally posted by Q99
Also, Jaden didn't chose to be transfered into a clone of his own violation, his apprentice did it because a One Sith agent mortally wounded him.
Which is not some barge of honor or some knock on Kor's power and ability - he went into the event blind and spare and suffered for it being the only Jedi there...it was extremely exhausting, basically a glorified assassination marathon.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hmm mmm. Still, I think that if Krayt DID do that stuff, he could probably beat Korr quite easily.
Well at some points post 14 ABY maybe, sometimes even definitely. But he would have been getting physically weaker because of real aging and would have been physical weak by 44 ABY balancing things.
So that cooler version may have been at Palps level in power, but weaker as a fighter currently.
Now the vong crab armor, made him morbid and his time stasis deal makes him backward in terms of techniques and tech and many other things besides - In essence less cool than he would otherwise be.
Originally posted by Allankles
Which makes her appear more powerful, not less!
No it doesn't. Abeloth was a galaxy-wide threat who was faced down by force users stronger than Jaden's team.
Mother was dangerous, but a smaller threat and not nearly as cosmic in scope as Abeloth.
Eeh! The main excuse for his fall was always closely tied to his embrace of pain and his forcible merger with crab armor by Vergere and her goons. So... his clingin on to his pride at this disgraceful treatment was a bit much...to say the least.
He'd already trained with a Sith holocron for decades before that. His fall was a desire for power to defeat his enemies. The embrace just put him over the edge and gave him the vision of the One Sith.
Which is not some barge of honor or some knock on Kor's power and ability - he went into the event blind and spare and suffered for it being the only Jedi there...it was extremely exhausting, basically a glorified assassination marathon.
And yet you criticize Krayt for facing a legendary Sith in the body of a skilled KotoR Jedi master, a Imperial Knight master ambush, and Darth Wyyrlok.
Well at some points post 14 ABY maybe, sometimes even definitely. But he would have been getting physically weaker because of real aging and would have been physical weak by 44 ABY balancing things.
Physically? He looked maybe in his 50s-60s. Less so than Dooku, and we know how little that held Dooku back. He did have force life extension techniques besides stasis.
Now the vong crab armor, made him morbid and his time stasis deal makes him backward in terms of techniques and tech and many other things besides - In essence less cool than he would otherwise be.
Skill doesn't wear out with age 🙂 And even when in stasis, he was in telepathic contact with his One Sith, who he had regularly seek out new techniques and sith knowledge for him.
It's not like he's an ancient sith who *just* woke up ala Darth Andeddu. He's a Sith who'd regularly wake up, train students, and update himself before going back into a healing stasis again.
And the vong armor, while it affected him, did not prevent him from still being strong enough to take on very powerful foes. The main drawback is mostly how much recovery time he needs after, but he still got into a prolonged fight with Morne/Muur, still slew four Imperial Knights at once, etc..
Originally posted by Allankles
Well at some points post 14 ABY maybe, sometimes even definitely. But he would have been getting physically weaker because of real aging and would have been physical weak by 44 ABY balancing things.So that cooler version may have been at Palps level in power, but weaker as a fighter currently.
Now the vong crab armor, made him morbid and his time stasis deal makes him backward in terms of techniques and tech and many other things besides - In essence less cool than he would otherwise be.
I'm sorry, please step out and learn before you start comparing Mother to Abeloth and spouting useless nonsense without any sort of proof.
Krayt is the strongest Sith of his era, the fact he could fight alongside Luke against Abeloth shows that he's pretty damn beasty.
And for the love of Yoda, it's Korr. With two R's.
Krayt > Jaden in every single way.
Jaden loses. Jaden loses hard. There is no alternative.
Next you'll be saying that Jaden can top Luke.
Originally posted by Q99
No it doesn't. Abeloth was a galaxy-wide threat who was faced down by force users stronger than Jaden's team.Mother was dangerous, but a smaller threat and not nearly as cosmic in scope as Abeloth.
Mother was a smaller threat because she was defeated early by Kor, 3 years previous to Abeloth. She just got taken out, before she could become a thorn. But she also had galaxy level power, since she could siphon the dreams and thoughts of sentients across the galaxy. And was only trapped by the Rakatan station itself, since it would be the practice of the Rakata to trap force entities and use their power to drive their machines.
Originally posted by Q99
No it doesn't. Abeloth was a galaxy-wide threat who was faced down by force users stronger than Jaden's team.Mother was dangerous, but a smaller threat and not nearly as cosmic in scope as Abeloth.
[QUOTE=14528224]Originally posted by Q99
[B]He'd already trained with a Sith holocron for decades before that. His fall was a desire for power to defeat his enemies. The embrace just put him over the edge and gave him the vision of the One Sith.
Eeh! Excuses to hide that he was a wanabe Emperor.
Originally posted by Q99
And yet you criticize Krayt for facing a legendary Sith in the body of a skilled KotoR Jedi master, a Imperial Knight master ambush, and Darth Wyyrlok.
The type of people that Kor likes to spar, good matches those... good matches.
Originally posted by Q99
Physically? He looked maybe in his 50s-60s. Less so than Dooku, and we know how little that held Dooku back. He did have force life extension techniques besides stasis.
Jedi naturally have that yeah, one of the hallmarks of the Jedi actually, life extension.
Originally posted by Q99
Skill doesn't wear out with age 🙂 And even when in stasis, he was in telepathic contact with his One Sith, who he had regularly seek out new techniques and sith knowledge for him.It's not like he's an ancient sith who *just* woke up ala Darth Andeddu. He's a Sith who'd regularly wake up, train students, and update himself before going back into a healing stasis again.
Yeah we already know he ain't as backward as Andeddu, but he's still backward.
Originally posted by Q99
And the vong armor, while it affected him, did not prevent him from still being strong enough to take on very powerful foes. The main drawback is mostly how much recovery time he needs after, but he still got into a prolonged fight with Morne/Muur, still slew four Imperial Knights at once, etc..
It also overrides his higher functions from time to time, to self preserve. So he needs help, basically is what we're saying here. And if he doesn't need help, then he should show it with his actions.
Allankles
Mother was a smaller threat because she was defeated early by Kor, 3 years previous to Abeloth. She just got taken out, before she could become a thorn.
So Jaden took it out when it was weak and did so indirectly. All the more example of the difference.
Krayt took out Abeloth while she was much stronger than Mother, by tag-teaming with Luke and handling things face to face.
Eeh! Excuses to hide that he was a wanabe Emperor.
Second most successful Sith in terms of making oneself galactic empire.
Your standards are dumb 🙂
The type of people that Kor likes to spar, good matches those... good matches.
Korr's never sparred with anyone like Muur, or Wyyrlok 🙂 And just a reminder, that was Krayt facing all of them, not separately.
Yeah we already know he ain't as backward as Andeddu, but he's still backward.
Then Jaden Korr must be really backwards, because Krayt is up to date on techniques of his era and later.
I'm not sure why you think 'backwards' matters, but Krayt's much more modern than Jaden, who's from many years before.
It also overrides his higher functions from time to time, to self preserve. So he needs help, basically is what we're saying here. And if he doesn't need help, then he should show it with his actions.
What are you talk about? It doesn't take over his higher functions. If he stopped struggling against it, it'd do so, but it's (obviously) never succeeded in doing so or that'd be it, no more Krayt.
So long story short, Krayt's a more up-to-date force user than Jaden who's taken on stronger foes, more foes, has a larger arsenal, is more experienced, and even had one of his agents have Jaden killed once.