Originally posted by pym-ftw
Do you really want to go into a d*ck measuring contests of one off feats?
Surfer's ability to move as he pleases through time SH|TS all over anything Thor could come up with. There's a reason why writers use this ability of his sparingly. This power alone ends the thread because of the sheer amount of uses it has.
Originally posted by zopzop
In terms of versatility? Go for it.Surfer's ability to move as he pleases through time SH|TS all over anything Thor could come up with. There's a reason why writers use this ability of his sparingly. This power alone ends the thread because of the sheer amount of uses it has.
IIRC initially Thor was able to travel through time via Mjolnir until this ability was removed from Immortus.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yep,Thor also can cast spells nearly on the level of Loki
Pull souls out of beings
Create anti matter & absorb it among other even more obscure things.
Examples of "spells" Thor has cast?
Creating anti-matter is cool, Surfer can create black holes (even inside other beings).
@carver9
Most powerful overall? Surfer. Most powerful in terms of energy blasts/discharges? Thor. A non-Void Sentry isn't in Thor/Surfer's league.
Surfer destroyed Air walker and its not even clear he created the Black hole
Binding /=/ completely removing. I said in my first post that.
Originally posted by pym-ftwAnd you said
Do you really want to go into a d*ck measuring contests of one off feats?
Originally posted by zopzop
In terms of versatility? Go for it.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Surfer destroyed Air walker and its not even clear he created the Black hole
Binding /=/ completely removing. I said in my first post that.
And you said
Where are the examples of Thor "casting" a spell?
Thanos said it was a black hole...yes, he never said Surfer created it. It could have been air walker dying that caused it.
They can both do it, Thor has controlled the elements more does that mean he wins all elements 🤨
Basic things like seeing midgard while in a different dimension, sensitive disturbances in the universe, hearing prayers to him, enchanting gear, sensing thoughts, mind erasing, reflecting tp back on the user, reforming his molecules that had formed into the ground. He actually has a lot of these kinda feats.
Surfer is a far superior matter manipulator than Thor. We have seen surfer evolve entire planets, bind people to planets, affected thousands of people simultaneously at a sub atomic level. Heck one of Surfers more ruthless clones, the cosmic Messiah, transformed everyone on earth into mere quantum wave
patterns. That just gives an idea of what surfer could do if unleashed
His control of his own molecular structure which can see him even disperse himself into snow, merge with the planet, merge with other beings mid battle, become intangible, shrinking to the microverse, shape shifting etc is beyond Thor.
He also has mental abilities that put Thors To shame. telepathy potent enough to make contact,with every being on the planet, creating telepathic shields, Dispersing his consciousness,erasing people's consciousness when mad, astral plane manipulation, creating holograms out of memories etc.
Also has superior time space powers, can create spatial rifts, warp space, localized time manipulation with the creation of cosmic limbo in which time is suspended, travelling forward, backwards and even sideways through time, Chronal energy manip etc.
That's without getting into physical or cosmic senses or awareness..where he also has Thor dead to rights. And all in probably half of the appearances Thor has. Surfer is definitely more versatile in terms of power set.
As said previously you would have to get another character with a completely open ended power set like Dr Strange to see something comparable
Originally posted by pym-ftw
[B]Thanos said it was a black hole...yes, he never said Surfer created it. It could have been air walker dying that caused it.
You actually see Surfer creating the black hole though. He created one inside Airwalker so that Ravenous couldn't get his dirty hands on Airwalker's corpse.
Plus Skreet states "Surfer tore a hungry hole! Tore one right good!"
And Thanos states "It's a singularity--blackhole--brought about by the Silver Surfer's energy discharge"
Are you really going to try to argue Surfer didn't create a black hole in that scene?
Originally posted by vince_slice
You actually see Surfer creating the black hole though. He created one inside Airwalker so that Ravenous couldn't get his dirty hands on Airwalker's corpse.Plus Skreet states "Surfer tore a hungry hole! Tore one right good!"
And Thanos states "It's a singularity--blackhole--brought about by the Silver Surfer's energy discharge"
Are you really going to try to argue Surfer didn't create a black hole in that scene?
Originally posted by vince_slice
You actually see Surfer creating the black hole though. He created one inside Airwalker so that Ravenous couldn't get his dirty hands on Airwalker's corpse.Plus Skreet states "Surfer tore a hungry hole! Tore one right good!"
And Thanos states "It's a singularity--blackhole--brought about by the Silver Surfer's energy discharge"
Are you really going to try to argue Surfer didn't create a black hole in that scene?
Yeah It is clear what happened in that scene. Surfers energy discharge creates a Blackhole inside air walker. it's a huge feat of power quite frankly as the output levels required to create a black hole is enormous
Originally posted by zopzop
A non-Void Sentry isn't in Thor/Surfer's league.
That's as wrong as it gets:
- A weakened Sentry stalemated World War Hulk (do you see Thor and Silver Surfer pulling that off? I don't).
- Sentry defeated Void in fights multiple times.
- Sentry has better feats than the Void.
Sentry (if he is not being written as a mental midget by Brian Michael Bendis) > Void > the others, who are not on that level.
In fact I asked Paul Jenkins the creator of the Sentry on what level Sentry was supposed to be - if he was supposed to be as powerful as Silver Surfer and Thor - Paul Jenkins said that the Sentry was supposed ridiculously more powerful and that he always intended to write a third story, where Sentry would finally accept his Godhood.
On topic:
1. Silver Surfer
2. Thor
3. Sentry
What makes the topic hard to judge is:
- The fact that Silver Surfer once straight up stated that Mjolnir seems to be more powerful in origin than he himself is, yet Silver Surfer still proved that he has a bigger variety of powers / versatility.
- Thor in theory really has a lot, but I don't think that we will ever see writers brining up the stuff from the 60's / 70's back, while something like happens for the Surfer.
- Sentry has displayed a lot of various powers, but not as consistently as the Silver Surfer and not with such a great control over it.
But Sentry has acomplished things Thor would need the Odinforce for... Sentry is immortal, he can resurrect dead people and stuff like that. He also has the raw power on his side, but in the end of the day he can't compete in the overall versatility department with the Silver Surfer, who simply has more showings.
Originally posted by zopzopLittle salty? I never said he couldn't, I just said he didn't in that scene.
He knows. He don't care. It's clearly shown and stated on panel. It's such a beastly display of power, it has to be downplayed by Team Thor/Team Sentry.
Originally posted by vince_sliceI truthfully have no problem with the idea that Surfer implanted a Black hole in him, all I'm saying is that its possible either.
You actually see Surfer creating the black hole though. He created one inside Airwalker so that Ravenous couldn't get his dirty hands on Airwalker's corpse.Plus Skreet states "Surfer tore a hungry hole! Tore one right good!"
And Thanos states "It's a singularity--blackhole--brought about by the Silver Surfer's energy discharge"
Are you really going to try to argue Surfer didn't create a black hole in that scene?
A.) Air Walker's death released the PC and it created the singularity
Or
B.) Surfer used the remaining portion of the PC in order to accomplish the task.