Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I don't think he was saying WWH is weaker,I think he was saying that an amped Prof Hulk should be able to hang with and maybe beat himThough if that does happen it'll probably be like 3/10 or less
He asked what makes me think WWH is stronger than Professor Hulk. He shouldn't even have asked that question if he knew about the Hulk. I'm use to him doing it though...like his questions about the Hercs ft, the Dark Dimension showing, Hulk fighting the Mindless ones, WBH and Betty landing on earth, him questioning if WWH stopped Juggernaut. The list is endless. He's still my buddy though.
😂 Don't make me laugh buddy.
Should I post all the similar thing Hulk did before his Green Scar persona, to prove that WWH arc Hulk didn't do anything to put him leaps and bounds any other incarnation of the Hulk?
Nothing but going critical mass and being able to control those energies, is the only thing WWH did, that other previous incarnation of Hulk were not able to do.
Do mind and just to clarify this I am considering WWH up to the point where he reverted to Banner, When he is glowing green that is WB mode for the green scar.
Still think He does not get defeated?
I won't be long today, but I will reply prob tomorrow.
BTW you have issue # for that scan you posted?
I have not read anything of the latest marvel stuff, so I have to verify the veracity of your claims, because I remember once you told me that Professor Hulk defeated Doomsday and it turns out that was a sim, just because I do know that when it comes to the Hulk sometimes context is forgotten. 😉
Originally posted by carver9
Almost killing Hercules while holding back with a couple of blows. Something that neither professor Hulk or Mindless Hulk has done and both have fought Herc and landed blows on him. Solid blows. I'm not going to name everything for you because it was expressed multiples of times that WWH is the most powerful Hulk.
Professor hulk sent Hercules flying with out even touching him 🙄
and is funny you say He beats everyone but WWH
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk and everybody who knows him, stated multiple times, that Hulk was stronger than he'd ever been before, during WWH.Hulk also stopped Juggernaut instantly, War took a mile to ramp up the strength.
Hulk instantly repaired a punched through torso (and heart/lungs), whereas previously he has healed from such things over a couple of panels or more.
Hulk 3 punched a Zom-amped Strange. Too EVERYTHING Sentry had to give and wasn't any worse for wear, shook up the entire seaboard with a footstep and then, after all that, the energy siphoned from him was used to power up Rulk and an army of Rulks as well as to boost all the heroes up to Rulk-like beings.
Some of the feats mentioned are in WB mode and one of them was performed at critical mass surge. The rest We can agree though I need to re-read some of them.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Professor hulk sent Hercules flying with out even touching him 🙄and is funny you say He beats everyone but WWH
Has Professor Hulk almost kill Herc while holding back?
What do you mean? I've never said Professor Hulk can beat everyone. There were times he was operating above Herald levels but that still doesn't put him on or above WWH. Did you read planet hulk and World at War Hulk? I can PM you the comics if you want.
Originally posted by carver9
Has Professor Hulk almost kill Herc while holding back?What do you mean? I've never said Professor Hulk can beat everyone. There were times he was operating above Herald levels but that still doesn't put him on or above WWH. Did you read planet hulk and World at War Hulk? I can PM you the comics if you want.
Read it like 4 times, that is why I don't know why things tend to be blown out of proportion.
Originally posted by carver9
Besides the stomp, what other fts did Janus mentioned that WBH performed?
When War Hulk stopped Juggernaut, IIRC He was Bannerless Hulk and he was reaching critical mass, you can see it by the way he was glowing green right before He stopped Juggernaut. You know PAK is a Hulk fan and He read a lot of his previous material. 😉
See that glowing green?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Read it like 4 times, that is why I don't know why things tend to be blown out of proportion.When War Hulk stopped Juggernaut, IIRC He was Bannerless Hulk and he was reaching critical mass, you can see it by the way he was glowing green right before He stopped Juggernaut. You know PAK is a Hulk fan and He read a lot of his previous material. 😉
See that glowing green?
No, that wasn't Bannerless Hulk; that's Savage Hulk. The Celestial tech Helped Hulk harness his power...nothing more. Juggernaut couldmt even budge WWH but looking st his fight with War Hulk, he pushed him for miles before War Hulk gained the strength to stop him.
What's blown out of proportion? Every fight that WWH was in, EVERY FIGHT, they prepped against him. Everyone knew fighting Hulk up front wasn't the safe route to take. Hell, the Sentry fight wad prepped as well if you look at everything as a whole. Tony asked Bob to fight a certain way against this Hulk because holding back would get him killed.
Lets not even in life the fact that this same WWH, a portion of his power created an army of Heralds and trans level beings. It seems like you are in denial my friend. Pak said WWH is the most powerful Hulk ever created...just deal with it.
Originally posted by carver9
No, that wasn't Bannerless Hulk; that's Savage Hulk. The Celestial tech Helped Hulk harness his power...nothing more. Juggernaut couldmt even budge WWH but looking st his fight with War Hulk, he pushed him for miles before War Hulk gained the strength to stop him.
You are wrong, this is not "Savage Hulk" this is Banner less Hulk as in no Banner. Banner less Hulk appeared from 446- 459 that feat is from 456, so you are wrong buddy. I should be the new prophet of the Gamma church, seeing at how you are corrupting the scriptures to save your green butt 😉
Originally posted by carver9
What's blown out of proportion? Every fight that WWH was in, EVERY FIGHT, they prepped against him. Everyone knew fighting Hulk up front wasn't the safe route to take. Hell, the Sentry fight wad prepped as well if you look at everything as a whole. Tony asked Bob to fight a certain way against this Hulk because holding back would get him killed.
What is being blown out of proportion is the fact that up to Hulk reaching critical mass in the World War Hulk story line, he didn't do anything outside his usual depiction, that is what is being blown out of proportion. Everything done up to that point is normal and standard for the Hulk, like I said before He did not do anything outside the extraordinary but being able to control his critical mass.
Originally posted by carver9
Lets not even in life the fact that this same WWH, a portion of his power created an army of Heralds and trans level beings. It seems like you are in denial my friend. Pak said WWH is the most powerful Hulk ever created...just deal with it.
This is probably where you are not getting what I am saying, the Hulk portrayed in the WWH arc is the most powerful incarnation up to that date, because He starts at the base level of the Banner less hulk, he has the cunning mind of Mr. Fix it on top of other attributes only displayed by other Hulk incarnations, this various treats from other hulks is what makes him the "most powerful" Hulk up to that date, but he is no where near being leaps and bound stronger than other Hulk incarnations, like a Bannerless Hulk for example.
After he reaches critical mass and he is able to control those energies, then, yes He is stronger than the other versions of Hulk.
You understand that? or you still think the depiction of WWH (up to reverting to Banner) is leaps and bounds stronger than any other Hulk.
If you think so, then show me what is the basis of your argument, because most of the other incarnations of Hulk were pretty much capable of replicating all those feats.
Also Savage Hulk was capable of Hulk out a bunch of minions of Tyranus, so I REALLY don't see whats the big deal about it. If it is the way it has been depicted in here.
Comparing any character to Savage Hulk's high-end to absolute best feats, would be a futile argument.
I've said it before that Green Scar, during WWH, did very little that Savage Hulk hasn't done. It was evidence that Pak actually read Hulk comics, rather than decided "green brick, not Doomsday, thus not as strong as Superman" and then trolled threads on KMC on that basis.
Savage Hulk had to get angry and actually focus on the fight if he was going to exhibit those levels. Green Scar doesn't. He's that powerful, just walking around. And then he amps instantly to strength levels more fitting trans tier to skyfather (HOTM) levels.
Savage Hulk's best feat is thunderclapping the nightcrawler's dimension destroying blast, and thereby destroying a dimension. Way beyond "herald level" stuff, but substantially below what Green Scar did when he unleashed.
Rao, your notion of "critical mass" is pointless, has no bearing upon _any_ Hulk besides the Prof. Hulk - who turned into Savage Banner - and is a wholly erroneous metaphor for Hulk.
Green Scar _is_ "WBH", the Hulk during WWH (the arc), was always capable of unleashing that kind of force, without any problem, he just wouldn't do it when innocents were around (unless enraged, as he was by Meik).
If Savage Hulk and Green Scar faced off, Green Scar would end him in a few panels, maybe a page. Much like Rulk did to Savage Hulk.
If Savage Hulk was enraged and then fought Green Scar, it would be an even battle until Green Scar decided to amp up, because he would amp faster and more intelligently than Savage Hulk.
I didn't even respond to Rao post because its pointless. I could have easily brought up Rulk snapping Savage Hulk neck. Choking Savage to sleep...breaking his arm and choking him to sleep again. Then I could have brought up WWH fighting the same Rulk and tanking everything Rulk threw at him, an enraged Rulk, and WWH taking out a being that stomped Savage 3 times...WWH taking him out with a thunder clap. I could have done that but again, it seems pointless when debating with him on anything involving Hulk.
Originally posted by janus77
Comparing any character to Savage Hulk's high-end to absolute best feats, would be a futile argument.
That feat was a chump feat, it was the equivalent to spreading a zombie virus. I haven't read the latest one (I'm on the process as soon as I finish Onslaught) but I imagine it was something along those lines
Originally posted by janus77
I've said it before that Green Scar, during WWH, did very little that Savage Hulk hasn't done. It was evidence that Pak actually read Hulk comics, rather than decided "green brick, not Doomsday, thus not as strong as Superman" and then trolled threads on KMC on that basis.
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Originally posted by janus77
Savage Hulk had to get angry and actually focus on the fight if he was going to exhibit those levels. Green Scar doesn't. He's that powerful, just walking around. And then he amps instantly to strength levels more fitting trans tier to skyfather (HOTM) levels.
Green Scar is actually the one who focus the most. Hiroim taught him how to focus that rage in World War Hulk prologue. Both get angry but Green Scar uses meditation to not lost focus on his fight, His mind does not get blinded by rage, but He still has the rage that fuels his power the same way Savage Hulk does.
Originally posted by janus77
Savage Hulk's best feat is thunderclapping the nightcrawler's dimension destroying blast, and thereby destroying a dimension. Way beyond "herald level" stuff, but substantially below what Green Scar did when he unleashed.
We will not get into that for now. While I think those feats are pretty good and very respectable, there are several things to take into account.
Originally posted by janus77
Rao, your notion of "critical mass" is pointless, has no bearing upon _any_ Hulk besides the Prof. Hulk - who turned into Savage Banner - and is a wholly erroneous metaphor for Hulk.
Professor was not the one who went critical, it was Bannerless Hulk, and usually when Banner is not resent or Banner subsconcious control is lessened Hulk tends to display his ubber feats.
Originally posted by janus77
Green Scar _is_ "WBH", the Hulk during WWH (the arc), was always capable of unleashing that kind of force, without any problem, he just wouldn't do it when innocents were around (unless enraged, as he was by Meik).
I Know Green Scar is WBH, for this thread I asked for a specific display of Hulk's power and it was up to the point where he gets reverted into Banner, meaning that anything from the WWH saga can be used up to that point.
This is from the character ruling thread:
"Hulk's incarnations: If a Hulk is stated as amped, then he's amped. WWH-arc Hulk can, more often than not, accomplish something Savage did, WBH can accomplish something WWH-arc Hulk did, and so on. From now on, people using "WWH" as a term to describe Hulk, will have the Hulk in their thread restricted to using feats from the arc. WWH is not the character description. Green Scar, WBH, or HOTM would be more fitting."
Originally posted by janus77
If Savage Hulk and Green Scar faced off, Green Scar would end him in a few panels, maybe a page. Much like Rulk did to Savage Hulk.If Savage Hulk was enraged and then fought Green Scar, it would be an even battle until Green Scar decided to amp up, because he would amp faster and more intelligently than Savage Hulk.
That is your point of view, I believe that if Savage or several of the other incarnations of Hulk will give WWH (Green Scar) a pretty good fight up to the point in which Hulk (Green Scar) starts glowing green or in WB mode
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't even respond to Rao post because its pointless. I could have easily brought up Rulk snapping Savage Hulk neck. Choking Savage to sleep...breaking his arm and choking him to sleep again. Then I could have brought up WWH fighting the same Rulk and tanking everything Rulk threw at him, an enraged Rulk, and WWH taking out a being that stomped Savage 3 times...WWH taking him out with a thunder clap. I could have done that but again, it seems pointless when debating with him on anything involving Hulk.
You haven't answered my question.
Let me be very specific.
Green Scar not glowing green vs my super speed Hulk, who wins and how fast?
Originally posted by carver9
How can Savage Hulk give Green Scar a fight when he couldn't even give Red Hulk a fight...actually got stomped AND killed?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
For the sake of the argument, let's say he is as strong as somewhere between merged hulk (Profesor Hulk) and Mindless Hulk.
Plus your savage Hulk that got stomped does not has super speed reflexes.
But ...
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
For the sake of the argument, let's say he is as strong as somewhere between merged hulk (Profesor Hulk) and Mindless Hulk.
You said "Savage Hulk and Green Scar are close in stats". You don't have a shed of proof. Green Scar walked through Savage Hulk nemesis, "with ease". Then you said Green Scar has to glow in order to outperform Savage Hulk. Yeah right. Sad thing is, he has already outperformed Savage, without glowing.
Originally posted by carver9
You said "Savage Hulk and Green Scar are close in stats". You don't have a shed of proof. Green Scar walked through Savage Hulk nemesis, "with ease". Then you said Green Scar has to glow in order to outperform Savage Hulk. Yeah right. Sad thing is, he has already outperformed Savage, without glowing.
When did I said Savage is close to Green Scar?
IIRC I have compared Bannerless or Mindless Hulk to Green Scar since always.
and Savage will be close IF and only IF he was very enraged and Green Scar is not glowing green.
Now answer the question and stop dodging.
