Originally posted by Rao Kal El
For the sake of the argument, let's say he is as strong as somewhere between merged hulk (Profesor Hulk) and Mindless Hulk.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol what does this even mean? You're stating he is somewhere between two incarnations who have dynamic strength, one of whom can be pretty much any strength level at any moment.
There is a certain power level portrayed on those stories.
If it makes you feel more comfortable use Professor's level of strength as it was more consistent.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
If what you were saying were truth, then this could not happen
Did that stop him? I never said he was completely invulnerable, what i said was, its next to impossible to stop him physicaly, and guess what, it is. Skaar using the old power on Hulk doesn't help you my friend.
Originally posted by carver9
Did that stop him? I never said he was completely invulnerable, what i said was, its next to impossible to stop him physicaly, and guess what, it is. Skaar using the old power on Hulk doesn't help you my friend.
You are lying, if it can get hurt it can get beaten plain and simple and I am using a Stronger version of Green Scar than the one YOU are saying that cannot be stopped physically.
So pretty much you are lying and blowing things out of proportion AGAIN.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
There is a certain power level portrayed on those stories.If it makes you feel more comfortable use Professor's level of strength as it was more consistent.
Agreed, this makes more sense.
It was made clear by Pak that Green Scar was beyond the Merged Hulk, to the point where he was running through foes that had defeated that very same incarnation. Adding superspeed is ultimately not going to change a contest that was.. well.. never a contest in the first place so Carver is justified in his opinion.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are lying, if it can get hurt it can get beaten plain and simple and I am using a Stronger version of Green Scar than the one YOU are saying that cannot be stopped physically.So pretty much you are lying and blowing things out of proportion AGAIN.
So you have that scan of him being physically taken out? You can bring up Zeus ya know but I agree, a Skyfather should be able to take out Hulk.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Not really. Mindless Hulk could go from struggling with Alpha Flight, to taking on an Avengers team with several heavy hitters and winning, to tearing down Nightmares dimension. The disparity in those showings makes forming some sort of "base" level for the Mindless Hulk impossible, and this happened frequently.Agreed, this makes more sense.
It was made clear by Pak that Green Scar was beyond the Merged Hulk, to the point where he was running through foes that had defeated that very same incarnation. Adding superspeed is not going to change a contest that was.. well.. never a contest in the first place so Carver is justified in his opinion.
You know the WWH incarnation is before he starts glowing green right?
The one that is getting damaged by Wolverine, Stopped momentarily by Kitty.
His opinion is waaaaaay off, but after all is his.
Originally posted by carver9
So you have that scan of him being physically taken out? You can bring up Zeus ya know but I agree, a Skyfather should be able to take out Hulk.
I have scans of him fighting vs characters with out super speed and super reflexes and actually taxing him.
Just do the math and you have to prove Hulk is un-KO-able, because with your argument, that is what you are implying.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You know the WWH incarnation is before he starts glowing green right?The one that is getting damaged by Wolverine, Stopped momentarily by Kitty.
His opinion is waaaaaay off, but after all is his.
I don't know about the rest of your back and forth with Carv but in terms of his opinion that Green Scar would beat a Prof Hulk with amped speed, just saying it's really not unreasonable at all.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Yes, it is the same Hulk. I'm not sure I understand what the point of your post is though?I don't know about the rest of your back and forth with Carv but in terms of his opinion that Green Scar would beat a Prof Hulk with amped speed, just saying it's really not unreasonable at all.
I disagree, I have read lots of Hulk books steadily since the issues 400 (except for the latest material) and some on and off 200 to 300 from when I used to work in a comic book store.
This is the reason why I have noticed that facts presented are distorted specially by him.
And the strength difference is not that great is not until He starts glowing green when You can actually see a difference, of course there are some flares on any incarnation, but nothing mayor.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I have scans of him fighting vs characters with out super speed and super reflexes and actually taxing him.Just do the math and you have to prove Hulk is un-KO-able, because with your argument, that is what you are implying.
Which character without super speed taxed him?
Not saying that hes un koable. What I am saying though is, this version of Hulk isn't doing it.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I disagree, I have read lots of Hulk books steadily since the issues 400 (except for the latest material) and some on and off 200 to 300 from when I used to work in a comic book store.This is the reason why I have noticed that facts presented are distorted specially by him.
And the strength difference is not that great is not until He starts glowing green when You can actually see a difference, of course there are some flares on any incarnation, but nothing mayor.
The strength difference between Merged Hulk and WWH is, how can I say it? Huge.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I disagree, I have read lots of Hulk books steadily since the issues 400 (except for the latest material) and some on and off 200 to 300 from when I used to work in a comic book store.This is the reason why I have noticed that facts presented are distorted specially by him.
And the strength difference is not that great is not until He starts glowing green when You can actually see a difference, of course there are some flares on any incarnation, but nothing mayor.
Now, i'm not saying other Hulk's are incapable of say, one shotting Ares or 3 punching Hercules, but under most writers they would have to be pretty heavily enraged to do so. Green Scar did it casually.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
End of the day Green Scar easily defeated past foes who had previously defeated the Merged incarnation. This is a direct comparison that can be made between the two Hulks and is clear that he was considerably (and that's putting it mildly) more powerful than before. There's no getting around that.
He also shrugged off attacks that have outright dropped him in the past i.e. holes through the torso, whisper/scream, Hulkbuster, mind control etc.Now, i'm not saying other Hulk's are incapable of say, one shotting Ares or 3 punching Hercules, but under most writers they would have to be pretty heavily enraged to do so. Green Scar did it casually.
Which foes are those?
As IIRC it was Bi-beast, Hercules and Strong guy the foes those two had in common, besides those who else?
Oh and the professor was the one who had Thanos on his rear, so there is that too.
Originally posted by carver9
The strength difference between Merged Hulk and WWH is, how can I say it? Huge.
only when in WB mode and not that much really.
cause really enraged hulk can send an earthquake to denmark, while green scar can create an earthquake in the eastern seaboard.
See and earth map and one traveled more distance than the other, so basically, NO!
