Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As long as you understand this, then the rest is just semantics.Some people pretend if Surfer was screaming in anger more often, he'd have won or something. I think that's silly. Especially since when he was explicitly pushed over the edge....absolutely nothing changed and he never gained any advantage.
None of their attacks had lasting damage (Not even the headbutt or a pissed Surfer blasting Thor in the face) but imho, Thor came off as at least as powerful as Surfer in combat.
Like I said, Fraction's Thor default was Viking warrior like the days of old. As a result, Thor telling someone he'd rip their spine out isn't the oh shit, things are going to get out of control now, sign that it usually is. Of course, Fraction's Thor was on average crazy powerful so ultimately, I guess it doesn't make any difference lol.
Surfer got pissed at the very end, and before the fight could continue with Surfer being consistently pissed, Sif interrupted and the fight stopped. Before that though, it was essentially stalemate with neither of them doing lasting damage to the other.
Does anyone remember the interview Fraction had after the Galactus arc but before the Tanarus arc? Not the one where he described the Odin/Galactus battle being about entities who can turn each other into a moth and then jar said moth, the second one.
I'm going to look for it but it'd be a big help if anyone can PM if they remember the source, it would make things a lot easier. Fraction points out that he wanted to give a glimpse of what a herald of Galactus can do when given a rare chance to really cut loose into an opponent.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Surfer got pissed at the very end, and before the fight could continue with Surfer being consistently pissed, Sif interrupted and the fight stopped. Before that though, it was essentially stalemate with neither of them doing lasting damage to the other.
I think Surfer was pissed at points before the fight.
Are you implying that the fight would have changed any if Sif hadn't intervened? That Surfer would have gotten the advantage? We saw Surfer blast Thor in the face and ram him with a board from behind, then collide. And literally nothing was different. It was the exact same attacks that he used before with the exact same results: Thor being completely unhurt.
Does this not tell you something?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on what I've seen from Fraction? I'd argue yes. Why do you find that funny? You've also read his take on Surfer. It's not conventional, but that doesn't make it any less canon.
I don't see how you can argue that during the monologue scene Surfer was pissed or angry. You're assuming he's pissed based on what emotional cues? Anger is an emotion after all. And it's always conveyed via the face or dialogue. Where is your evidence that Surfer is pissed in your scene?
This is the best example of anger during that arc from Surfer, and it looks nothing like the scene you posted:
<--- Surfer angry.
I also think this scene (After Thor rams into Galactus) is his equivalent of screaming in rage:But....he looks like he's crying.
That is the most clear cut moment of him being angry. Although using past instances as references, it's his equivalent of Warrior Madness. 馃槀
Here's artist's example of a person being shocked:
Look similar doesn't it?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Surfer was pissed at points before the fight.Are you implying that the fight would have changed any if Sif hadn't intervened? That Surfer would have gotten the advantage? We saw Surfer blast Thor in the face and ram him with a board from behind, then collide. And literally nothing was different. It was the exact same attacks that he used before with the exact same results: Thor being completely unhurt.
Does this not tell you something?
I don't know, I'm not a fortune teller. Trying to predict what would happen would be pure speculation. All I'm saying is that you can't say Surfer was bloodlusted or equally angry like Thor was throughout the entire fight.
Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't see how you can argue that during the monologue scene Surfer was pissed or angry. You're assuming he's pissed based on what emotional cues? Anger is an emotion after all. And it's always conveyed via the face or dialogue. Where is your evidence that Surfer is pissed in your scene?This is the best example of anger during that arc from Surfer, and it looks nothing like the scene you posted:
<--- Surfer angry.
Because of what he said. Because right before that, he'd made it clear that he was going to fight and had enough of playing nice with Thor until Odin intervened.
Originally posted by vince_slice
That is absolutely not the most clear cut scene of Surfer being angry. I posted the best example above. That looks more like Surfer is displaying absolute shock at Thor's recklessness.Here's artist's example of a person being shocked:
Look similar doesn't it?
I was talking about the scan you posted.
Shocked? 馃槓 He yelled Thor's name and proceeded to ram him into a planet with enough force to even hurt himself.
Well, whatever. Like I said, as long as you realize that nothing would have changed and don't pretend that he'd have suddenly started winning or something, I don't care whether you think he was as zen as Buddha or as angry as World Breaker Hulk.
Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't know, I'm not a fortune teller. Trying to predict what would happen would be pure speculation. All I'm saying is that you can't say Surfer was bloodlusted or equally angry like Thor was throughout the entire fight.
No, you're not. But you can make an educated guess being a functioning human being and all.
Like I said: We saw Surfer blast Thor in the face and ram him with a board from behind, then collide. And literally nothing was different. It was the exact same attacks that he used before with the exact same results: Thor being completely unhurt.
What does this lead you to believe? Either Thor got more durable, you're of the opinion that Surfer was holding back his power level at some specific level, or the far more likely: Nothing would have changed.
Originally posted by carver9
[B] I've never seen Thor exert so much energy to get rid of/defeat an opponent.
lol. you need to read Thor vs Celestials or Thor vs Glory. There you can see him exert much energy to destroy a enemy.
In the fight against Nul, he passed out because he was injured (he put his hand in the place of the injured). I hope someday someone do a Mithbust about this...
About this Thor vs Surfer fight, i think we cant say its was not a draw...any other thing is fanboysm.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because of what he said. Because right before that, he'd made it clear that he was going to fight and had enough of playing nice with Thor until Odin intervened.
Just because Surfer was warning Odin and Thor about Galactus doesn't mean he was pissed, because that's essentially what the monologue was about. Especially when his face clearly shows calmness, and likewise with his speech. Even you admitted he lookd calm in that scene.
I was talking about the scan you posted.
Shocked? 馃槓 He yelled Thor's name and proceeded to ram him into a planet with enough force to even hurt himself.
Well, whatever. Like I said, as long as you realize that nothing would have changed and don't pretend that he'd have suddenly started winning or something, I don't care whether you think he was as zen as Buddha or as angry as World Breaker Hulk. [/B]
Originally posted by vince_slice
And? Everything Surfer said, he said elequoently and calmly. Even while fighting Thor, he spoke and acted calmly.Just because Surfer was warning Odin and Thor about Galactus doesn't mean he was pissed, because that's essentially what the monologue was about. Especially when his face clearly shows calmness, and likewise with his speech. Even you admitted he lookd calm in that scene.
You lost me here.
Yeah. Absolutely shocked. Like when a former ally does something crazy or reckless. Which is what happened. Wouldn't you tackle down a friend who was doing something dangerous and crazy?
I'd like to keep my focus on what actually occurred.
Agree to disagree.
I'll find the Fraction interview and settle this discussion.
By the tone of the last 2 pages I believe two things have beome abundantly clear.
One, Blue Area Vet acknowledges that Lord Majestros CHOP/STABBY's Nul and Angrir to a clear victory. The second, is that Majestros would EASILY duplicate Thor's feat without taking as much damage.
It is great to see my powers of persuasion at work.