No one is saying that wasn't WWH. What I'm telling you is, Nul couldn't amp as fast as WWH because nothing was ever shown that he could.
IMO...getting rid of an opponent instead of fighting him isn't beating that character. He took the punk way out.
Nothing during that fight showed the wound having any type of affect on Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
No one is saying that wasn't WWH. [B]
Originally posted by carver9
[B]He wasn't WWH
Originally posted by carver9What I'm telling you is, Nul couldn't amp as fast as WWH because nothing was ever shown that he could.
IMO...getting rid of an opponent instead of fighting him isn't beating that character. He took the punk way out.
Nothing during that fight showed the wound having any type of affect on Thor.
What are you basing that off of? That's like saying Rune King Thor can't fly as fast as regular Thor because nothing was ever shown that he could.
Overpowering your opponent so blatantly that you knock him into space...isn't a win in your opinion?
Something a punk would do would be ganging up on someone who has a dripping wound underneath his shirt....oh wait.
Yet it was seen before the series and after his death, meaning it was there and a factor.
I'm basing it off of the way Hulk powers work. Being Mind controlled doesn't mean you can use Hulk amping ability just as good.
Not over powering him but sucking him up in a lightning bolt to get rid of him...yes, that's a buster way out but yet smart and effective way to end the fight. What if Nul landed right beside Thor when returning back to earth?
The wound was never mentioned or shown to have an effect.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm basing it off of the way Hulk powers work. Being Mind controlled doesn't mean you can use Hulk amping ability just as good.Not over powering him but sucking him up in a lightning bolt to get rid of him...yes, that's a buster way out but yet smart and effective way to end the fight. What if Nul landed right beside Thor when returning back to earth?
The wound was never mentioned or shown to have an effect.
His power responds to rage though correct? That's what Nul was all about. When he was scanned by Dracula they noticed the difference ein power also:
Thor clashed with him, Thor hit him so hard that he put him in space. Had Nul overpowered him, Thor would've died. One had to have overpowered the other to get Nul into space.
He wouldn't have. Thor was already being carried off by the time Nul had recovered.
Fraction showed in Mighty Thor that it indeed did have negative effects on Thor. Since Fraction wrote FI and later revealed the wound again, it can be assumed that the effects were still there.
When did Dracula have files on WWH? And Nul was stronger than your "usual" Hulk.
Thor sucked him up in a lightning bolt which was shown on panel. Had nothing to do with overpowering.
Lol...there was no recovery. As soon as Nul was hit into apace, he redirected himself back to earth.
I didnt notice the wound having an affect on Thor during that fight. Did you? If so, point it out for me.
Originally posted by carver9
When did Dracula have files on WWH? And Nul was stronger than your "usual" Hulk.Thor sucked him up in a lightning bolt which was shown on panel. Had nothing to do with overpowering.
Lol...there was no recovery. As soon as Nul was hit into apace, he redirected himself back to earth.
I didnt notice the wound having an affect on Thor during that fight. Did you? If so, point it out for me.
Apparently for a while. No, Hulk was stronger than usual, and reported to have a spike in power. But you know this, so please don't be difficult about it.
Prove it. All you see is Nul in the lightning after they hit. That's just an after effect from the blow.
Not according to the main series. You can see Hulk spread out like a rape victim before falling to Earth.
Would you like to see Thor crying or something? He didn't let Surfer know he was in pain either until Surfer got all touchy feely on him.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Apparently for a while. No, Hulk was stronger than usual, and reported to have a spike in power. But you know this, so please don't be difficult about it.Prove it. All you see is Nul in the lightning after they hit. That's just an after effect from the blow.
Not according to the main series. You can see Hulk spread out like a rape victim before falling to Earth.
Would you like to see Thor crying or something? He didn't let Surfer know he was in pain either until Surfer got all touchy feely on him.
Trying to figure out where Dracula got this info from about WWH? I agree though, the hammer gave Nul extra versatility.
Prove what? We clearly see Nul inside Thor lightning. No way to deny this.
What other way would he be in space...floating around? I guess he'll probably be out in deep space dancing or having his leg crossed?
At least hold his side. There was nothing shown about the injury having an effect during that battle (or the Surfer battle).
Anyone with any sense knows that handicapping the Hulk is nearly impossible. Clearly Nul was stronger than Hulk typically is at that time. Whether the Hulk who picked up the hammer was as strong as WWH, I don't know. Likely he wasn't as powerful as WWH because he wasn't as angry, but whether the hammer boost covers that difference, can't say.
"WWH" wins this, but it will be a hard fight, maybe as much as the one against an completely unleashed Sentry. Nul wasn't even strong enough, as a spirit, to prevent Hulk from over coming the possession and crushing The hammer.
Nul was a raging force, but it didn't have access to the same well of power that Hulk does. At best it was as powerful as the calm Green Scar who found the hammer.
Nul on his own had all the powers of WWH. Combine that with WWH, and you have an amped Hulk with a big ass hammer.
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The denial here is cute though. Nul solos. He was a force.
Not at all "denial", just simple observation of how little of Hulk's rage, hate, anger etc etc he actually showed _and_ the undeniable fact that Hulk still crushed his hammer after tacking back possession of his body.
So, no matter how much of a "force" Nul was, Hulk over powered his control over Hulk's body and over powered the hammer.
We saw nothing from Nul that even begins to approach the kinds of feats we saw from Green Scar, when he begins to unleash.
You'd think an entity that was rage and anger and "destroyer of worlds", would be a little more imposing than a Hulk attempting to stop himself from breaking the continental shelf.
Originally posted by Damborgson
His power responds to rage though correct? That's what Nul was all about. When he was scanned by Dracula they noticed the difference ein power also:Thor clashed with him, Thor hit him so hard that he put him in space. Had Nul overpowered him, Thor would've died. One had to have overpowered the other to get Nul into space.
He wouldn't have. Thor was already being carried off by the time Nul had recovered.
Fraction showed in Mighty Thor that it indeed did have negative effects on Thor. Since Fraction wrote FI and later revealed the wound again, it can be assumed that the effects were still there.
Nul was unaffected by the hit from Thor, he was only floated, which is something that any class 100 guy could do to a 1200 lb object. The next time we see Nul is is fine, and acts as if nothing happened to him. Fear Itself was also very poorly written and the only thing that I could say was worse would be Chaos Wars. Angrir is a non factor here, and could be one shot ko'd based on how easily Thor dispatched him. Rulk was in the process of being nerfed down to Captain Britain's level as well. Nul's feats during the entire Fear Itself arc were few, and unimpressive. Marvel has a magical way of nerfing things. Beta Ray Bill should tell you all that you need to know, because instead of getting more powerful than he was when he first fought Thor, he got weaker once he got the hammer. Shit he should have become a Super Thor.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I dont really see how this is even an arguement. Hulk vs. Hulk with a magical hammer + a friend. Hulk wins. And Hulk loses. Everybody debating wins. And everybody debating loses.
The problem that you aren't seeing is the Banner was bound up mystically, and Nul was in the drivers seat. Are you certain that Nul was able to tap into the Hulk's power source at the same or better ability that Banner learned to do on Sakaar? WW Hulk was able to consciously amp without becoming an insane rage monster like some of his other versions. This is a very good question, because Nul Hulk was not Banner Hulk.
