WWH vs Angrir and Nul

Originally posted by janus77
Not at all "denial", just simple observation of how little of Hulk's rage, hate, anger etc etc he actually showed _and_ the undeniable fact that Hulk still crushed his hammer after tacking back possession of his body.

So, no matter how much of a "force" Nul was, Hulk over powered his control over Hulk's body and over powered the hammer.

We saw nothing from Nul that even begins to approach the kinds of feats we saw from Green Scar, when he begins to unleash.

You'd think an entity that was rage and anger and "destroyer of worlds", would be a little more imposing than a Hulk attempting to stop himself from breaking the continental shelf.

As soon as the hammer was crushed he reverted back to Banner.

He was calling himself Hulk throughout that entire series. He recognized Betty immediately at the end of HvD. He was Hulk. He was angry. And he was powered up, as proven by scans.

He destroyed adamantium with one hand easily while weighing 100 times what he would on Jupiter. He crushed an Asgardian hammer. He defeated hundreds of monsters easily. He indirectly almost one shotted Dracula. He has amazing feats. He barely has any appearances.

There's also the part where he remembered past fights with Thor.
Hulk was probably the most in control one there was... as odd as that is to say. Only with a confirmed power up is Hulk seen weaker than he was before he got the power up. Logic right?

i never understood the stance that the asgardian power somehow weakened him either......nul was frickin ridiculously powerful. hawkeye said something to the effect of--take hulk, add asgardian power and a magical hammer and you get the idea..... nul was uber. beyond wwh for certain imo.

I agree with most of people. Nul solos without much problem.

Is Carver flip flopping again? 😛

Originally posted by carver9
Trying to figure out where Dracula got this info from about WWH? I agree though, the hammer gave Nul extra versatility.

Prove what? We clearly see Nul inside Thor lightning. No way to deny this.

What other way would he be in space...floating around? I guess he'll probably be out in deep space dancing or having his leg crossed?

At least hold his side. There was nothing shown about the injury having an effect during that battle (or the Surfer battle).

It's a comic Carver. It gave him extra everything too 👆 That's why he was superior to WWH.

Who denied it? Besides you of course who have now shifted from Thor slamming into Nul's chest to the lightning doing the work.

Thor's not a pansy. I already explained it, when Surfer asked him about it, he explained it wouldn't close and it hurt horribly doesn't mean he needs to bring it up or act all feminine like you want him to apparently. But you know this, you're just being difficult.

Originally posted by Stoic
Nul was unaffected by the hit from Thor, he was only floated, which is something that any class 100 guy could do to a 1200 lb object. The next time we see Nul is is fine, and acts as if nothing happened to him. Fear Itself was also very poorly written and the only thing that I could say was worse would be Chaos Wars. Angrir is a non factor here, and could be one shot ko'd based on how easily Thor dispatched him. Rulk was in the process of being nerfed down to Captain Britain's level as well. Nul's feats during the entire Fear Itself arc were few, and unimpressive. Marvel has a magical way of nerfing things. Beta Ray Bill should tell you all that you need to know, because instead of getting more powerful than he was when he first fought Thor, he got weaker once he got the hammer. Shit he should have become a Super Thor.

Didn't look like it to me. From the lack of his ability to speak, he was at the very least heavily stunned if not momentarily out.

Hulk does have a healing factor you know. After Thor was healed he was acting like nothing had happened either. Whoopee.

I agree, FI wasn't very good at all. It's fighting it our with Chaos War for sure.

A speeding Mjolnir is > Hulk's fist though. And from how Red Hulk did, it's clear that WWH would not one shot KO him but would indeed hurt him. WWH didn't even KO regular thing in one hit so it would take more for a noticeably more powerful Angrir.

Nul wasn't Pak Hulk per say, but he snapped adamantium like nothing and crushed uru to boot.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Didn't look like it to me. From the lack of his ability to speak, he was at the very least heavily stunned if not momentarily out.

Hulk does have a healing factor you know. After Thor was healed he was acting like nothing had happened either. Whoopee.

I agree, FI wasn't very good at all. It's fighting it our with Chaos War for sure.

A speeding Mjolnir is > Hulk's fist though. And from how Red Hulk did, it's clear that WWH would not one shot KO him but would indeed hurt him. WWH didn't even KO regular thing in one hit so it would take more for a noticeably more powerful Angrir.

Nul wasn't Pak Hulk per say, but he snapped adamantium like nothing and crushed uru to boot.

1. WWH didn't one shot Thing because he was holding back. Even then it seemed like he killed Thing from how the hit first looked.

2. WWH one shotted Rulk with a thunderclap. This takes many times more power than to one shot Rulk directly.

3. WWH burned himself out on Sentry because he didn't want to kill Sentry and thus didn't amp high enough to sustain his Hulk being. If he would have then he would risk killing Sentry in the process.

1. and 3. are true because Pak retcon that WWH was holding back in the WWH series. He also referenced Hercules stating that WWH was holding back when fighting him.

By thinking about it WWH easily crushes Angir. Nul takes a far more complicated analysis though. The adamantium feat by Nul is less than the hammer breaking feat (the net was far thinner and possibly secondary adamantium). The hammer breaking feat was powered by both Hulk and the amp of the enchantment. Nul didn't have full control over Hulk's gain ability like WWH does. WWH had the ability to gain any degree of strength he wanted. It was the WWH inside of Nul that caused Nul to GAIN enough strength to break the hammer.
A normal Nul couldn't do such a feat. But a normal Nul is definitely more powerful than a normal Hulk (Professor, Savage, etc.) since he is normal Hulk combined with enchantment power.
Now WWH could possibly do such a feat (breaking the hammer) by purposely gaining sufficient strength to achieve it. He doesn't need to fear killing to do so.

Now a problem is that when WWH is fighting Nul he won't necessarily gain sufficient strength due to him not wanting to kill (again, killing a hammer is not the same as taking a life). So he would hold back on Nul. So the question is still unresolved since it depends on how much WWH holds back. If WWH goes worldbreaker or anywhere close then WWH wins, but at the risk of killing Nul as well.

Yeah Nul was Hulk amped not sure how anybody but fanboys can think otherwise

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah Nul was Hulk amped not sure how anybody but fanboys can think otherwise

I don't see her doing that to WWH.

Originally posted by zopzop
Maybe because of the way Spider Woman tore Nul the phuck up.

I don't see her doing that to WWH.

She annoyed him if that's what you tried to over-exaggerate. And it was written by Bendis no less.

You'd better if Bendis writes it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
She annoyed him if that's what you tried to over-exaggerate. And it was written by Bendis no less.

You'd better if Bendis writes it.

Originally posted by zopzop
So you see Spider Woman tearing up Thor like that too if Bendis wrote it?

Originally posted by zopzop
So you see Spider Woman tearing up Thor like that too if Bendis wrote it?

He's had the arguably most energy resistant herald in the MU knocked out by nameless fodder to make a green idiot look good for casual fans. You tell me.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He's had the arguably most energy resistant herald in the MU knocked out by nameless fodder to make a green idiot look good for casual fans. You tell me.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fair enough. You win.

....what....did....you...say?

Give me a moment.

I don't even know what's going on, but I feel like worshipping dambo

Depends on what "WWH" means. Nul clearly was beastly but he wasn't a partaker of the whole "Im holding back my real power" theme that Pak later on established for hulk. So if e are talking WWH as in wwh from the arc , then yeah they definitely beat him. But if this is Greenscar who can basically willfully control his strength level anywhere from base wwh to Worldbreakers levels on a moments notice then team loses....hard.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fair enough. You win.

WTF. Like really...am I reading this right?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Depends on what "WWH" means. Nul clearly was beastly but he wasn't a partaker of the whole "Im holding back my real power" theme that Pak later on established for hulk. So if e are talking WWH as in wwh from the arc , then yeah they definitely beat him. But if this is Greenscar who can basically willfully control his strength level anywhere from base wwh to Worldbreakers levels on a moments notice then team loses....hard.

Hulk from the WWH arc is the one I was using. I agree that if Banner to WBH Hulk steps in that the games over for the worthy.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't even know what's going on, but I feel like worshipping dambo

With Zop Zop broken, I only have one goal left.

Hahahahaha...