Originally posted by NewGuy01
I've played around with Vitiate's ranking for a long time now, and my decision of his combat ranking isn't really unsupported.
And you haven't figured out yet that how powerful and dominating he is.
Maybe you need to check this thread to improve your knowledge: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t587136.html
Originally posted by NewGuy01
He punked the Jedi Strike team through the use of Force Storm. The Force Storm is an AoE power--An entire radius is attacked with the same level of power. Tol Bragga alone would have lasted no shorter against Vitiate's FLS than with the strike team with him.
I admit, this is an excellent point. However, see below.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
My verdict on this is that a FLS can be stopped by a singular opponent of high power much more efficiently than a group of mediocre Jedi Knights.
I disagree with this assessment.
The Jedi Strike Team which Vitiate defeated was an extremely capable one, featuring some of the Order's most powerful and proven Jedi.
You should give credit to Vitiate for possessing the capability to prevent an entire Strike Team (of aforementioned caliber) to advance and gain on him. Vitiate actually disarmed that entire Strike Team with his powers, which I don't think is possible for majority of Force-users in the mythos. Even Sidious haven't demonstrated this level of capability, outside his FS (W) talent.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The number of opponents becomes meaningless before Force Storm. This is also my explanation as to how the Hero of Tython in Act 3 was able to defeat Vitiate and not get crushed by the Force Storm like he did in Act 2, even though he had 3 Jedi Masters with him. And I rest my case by saying that someone like Orbalisk Bane or Darth Caedus could likely stop it.
Vitiate was not in the position to maximize his powers during his second clash with HoT because he was interrupted from the most ambitious ritual - to have been ever attempted - and this seemingly backfired on him.
And no, Bane and Caedus do not stand a chance against Vitiate. Vitiate would utterly destroy either one with his powers or even both put together.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
RoT Darth Bane is so high because he has Force Feats that are on par with Vitiate's non-ritualistic Force Feats, and yet has far superior lightsaber and speed showings. I'm doubtless that RoT Bane is superior to the Hero of Tython.
You are mistaken:
Vitiate is so powerful and well-versed in the ways of the Force that he doesn't needs a lightsaber to defeat or punk potential adversaries. He have felled expert swordsmen without difficulty.
As far as Force feats are concerned:-
- At the age of 10, Vitiate punked the most powerful Sith Lord of his homeworld by severing his connection with the Force (a dark variant of Sever Force talent) and destroying his mind with his telepathic abilities.
- Vitiate acquired absolute mastery of telepathic abilities; he could instill fear, mentally dominate, produce illusions/apparitions, possess and even destroy the minds of his targets. He went as far as to create "alternate dark personas" of thousands of other Force-users, triggering them from time to time to serve him (Children).
- Vitiate acquired absolute mastery of Force Drain talent; he could consume life-forces of other beings from even light-year distances. He siphoned energies of countless individuals to fuel his power.
- Vitiate acquired absolute mastery of unleashing (offensive) energies in purest forms of the dark side; he unleashed an FLS of this caliber on Revan (This FLS would have eaten Revan alive, if T3-M4 had not stopped Vitiate on time). He could also unleash Force blasts of purest dark side energies with bare hands.
- Vitiate acquired absolute mastery of telekinetic applications; he could perform telekinetic actions without gestures (nearly atomized T3-M4; prevented Scourge from striking Revan with his lightsaber; collapsed structures). Furthermore, he could conjure up Force waves, break bones, shatter organs and even atomize biota with his telekinetic abilities.
- Vitiate once destroyed an entire Dark Council with a mysterious application; this application swiftly killed/incapacitated all Dark Council members simultaneously.
- Vitiate acquired highest degree of immortality; could shift his essence from body to body (Essence Transfer) and permanently prolonged the existence of his original body, preventing its decay and destruction (Midichlorian manipulation). Vitiate was close to acquiring omnipotence when he was stopped.
I am sure that Vitiate acquired lot of other talents; he even altered the atmosphere and environment of Dromund Kaas on planetary scale.
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And no! Bane isn't as good as Hero of Tython is.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Plagueis himself is extremely powerful. He's atomized armored Maladian Assassins with Force Waves,
Correction: all but atomized.
Vitiate can actually atomize biota, evident from what he did to T3-M4 (an heavily customized droid).
Originally posted by NewGuy01
incinerated people with Force Lightning,
Vitiate's servants could do this. He (himself) can utterly destroy even the most powerful individuals with his Force lightning, he is this damn potent.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
was fast enough to appear like he was a streak of lightning,
Gifted Force-users are known to react and move lightning fast.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
was too fast for a droid that could track blaster bolts to see, and has the skill feat of defeated Venamis while largely disadvantaged.
Droids have excellent tracking capabilities in the mythos but they cannot react so fast. Venamis isn't such a big deal.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
On top of this he can stun his organs and use midichlorian manipulation to survive fatal injuries and continue on fighting. It is my personal belief that he is in fact tier 1 material.
Don't get me wrong, I admire Plagueis and regard him as one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the mythos. However, I don't think that he is in the league of Vitiate.