Stealth Moose
Umbrella Elite
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Simply wrong. Dooku only tagged him because Yoda rescued a hostage and Dooku took advantage of the opening. And even then Yoda was gonna take him tot he curb.
On rethinking it, you may be right. I will reread the passage later.
Are you serious?
It's funny how no one can ever tell.
A .66m tall diminutive green creature is perhaps single greatest swordsmaster the galaxy has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Imagine if the greatest swordsman in our world were .66m tall.
That's kind of misleading though. Yoda is perhaps the greatest duelist in his era and is exceptionally small. However, as Qui-Gon Jinn pointed out, his potential is capped and his body in less than peak condition. He is visibly winded after fighting Dooku for a short amount of time, and is utterly exhausted after his duel with Sidious. He has no real staying power, and truly powerful duelists can wear him out because he has to expend more energy to compensate for his small stature and lack of physical mass and muscle behind his swings. He does amazingly well; I'm not saying Yoda is a loser or weak as a kitten; but the HoT could probably work him into a sweat and win. The Hero is noted as being an exceptional duelist barely landing on Tython, and later IIRC is called the greatest duelist in the Order in the presence of Satele.
Here's some things to consider:
1. Yoda's visibly winded against a Makashi master and expert duelist who himself is an archaic reminder of older age style dueling. Makashi is explicitly said to be the best saber to saber style in the universe and became a relic after the Battle of Ruusan.
2. Yoda has not overcome anyone entirely with the Force except for Ventress, who herself is a weakling against the likes of Sidious, Dooku, etc. in the Force as well. It's unlikely his prodigious Force talent will make him overcome the Hero as well. Neph posted some good feats in the respect thread which indicate as much and saber usage is the more common means of disposing an enemy close to one's self in strength.
3. HoT could possibly be a master of Makashi and have an off-the-charts level Force potential like Exar Kun or Revan did. They're noted in the log entry after defeating Vitiate as being too much for the Sith Emperor, who himself is superior in general power to Yoda.
He invented a form that works for his small size, and mastered it to the highest degree.
How did he invent Ataru, which existed thousands of years before him? He may have adapted the premise to his unusual size and limitations, but he didn't invent it.
His strategy is not flailing at them with a shoto. His strategy is to spin around his opponent and literally duel circles around him. This capitalizes on his speed and remarkable strength. You cannot be an idiot and outduel Darth Sidious who literally can and does use all 7 forms of lightsaber combat at once.
1. Yet Yoda never attacks any of his enemies from above or behind. In fact, when he leaps behind Dooku, he doesn't hit the Sith Lord at all, and when he does the same thing to Sidious, he leaps back in front of Sidious before striking the Sith Lord's front with his blade in midair. Yoda does not capitalize on his speed and mobility any more than to just swing at the enemy really fast in an attempt to overwhelm them. This ties in with his limited stamina; he's already fighting at a disadvantage and his style does not conserve energy, so he's at a disadvantage to anyone who can just duel him to a standstill.
2. I'm not sure when Sidious uses all 7 forms at once. I'm aware he knows them, but with this kind of logic so does Dooku, Mace, Maul, and Yoda. Fact is, they each use different approaches. Sidious is primarily a Juyo user, which makes sense because it is a form grown out of previous forms and then embellished.
Also I'd imagine that being a master of the 7 forms he does in fact utilize parts of the other forms for combat.
Right, but you can master something and still be inferior to another combatant. Case in point: Grieveous had proficiency or mastery in 7 forms from Dooku, yet Obi_Wan took him out. Granted, he is a muggle but the point stands form mastery in itself is not victory granted.
The saber forms are also fighting philosophies and while you can learn them all, maybe only one rings true with your own internal method. For example, Kit Fisto used Shii-Cho, despite it being a "beginner form" because it rang true with him. He used it above and beyond what Obi-Wan considered the norm, adapting it to better suit his morphology. Dooku, a lover of the archaic and competitive, mastered Makashi. This form made him one of the most formidable duelists in the era, and again he made Yoda pant after a minute or two of trading blades. Either Yoda forgot his inhaler that day or he expends more energy to fight a Makashi user than someone else like say, Sidious (Yoda lasted much longer against Sidious before he became tired and he had already fought his way through the Jedi Temple earlier that day).
If we find out HoT is a bonafide Makashi user, in an era when Makashi is the penultimate form for badassery, this is a deadly advantage in combat. As it is, the feats for the character and lavish praise their elders give them is indicative of a prodigy bordering on Exar Kun levels of expertise.